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Posted by: fatcount Oct 26 2009, 11:46 PM

first of i want to appologize for the bad quality pics,but they are good enough to see the quality of the job i believe.

now i want to start out by thanking tommie from t.w. customs (check out his gallery on here.he makes some of the most beautiful coilis i have ever seen,not to mention how sick they run!) who basically held my hand through the whole learning process,not to mention supplying me with my first winder (and refused to take money for it,its so cool.hooks up to my psu,and give it juice with the foot pedal.screw all that other stuff like drills etc...not that u cant make good coils with them) that works really well for me. i can never thank him enough,from answering questions to sending supplies,and refusing to take payment for them, even when he had to go out and buy them.

also i want to thank johnnie aka (markt4lyf) who has been a big help to.freely answering questions about the way he does things to some guy he never met,just cause imo he saw i was serious about what i wanna do,and did my own leg work,only asking question that cant easily be answered with a google search,which is to often the case with people, wether it be here on the forum,or people starting out in this game in general.too many just want everything handed to them.luckily i made some friends where to an extent alot of that was the case for me,but im the exception not the rule.

so thanks again you guys,and everyone on the forum in general who have taught me more in such a short time then i could have hoped to learn in a lifetime

so heres a coil i just kept wrapping and unwrapping cause i didnt have enough wire for a set lol



here is my first finished set,8 layer



thanks again everyone,feel free to ask any questions you guys may have

Posted by: jrf134 Oct 27 2009, 04:30 AM

looks tight n clean,nice work

Posted by: fatcount Oct 27 2009, 06:02 AM

thank you sir

Posted by: shocker Oct 27 2009, 08:29 AM

Wish I could get them as tight and even as that!

Posted by: fatcount Oct 27 2009, 08:39 AM

you can.

whats the prob your having?

Posted by: steal25 Oct 28 2009, 07:04 AM

am I late where are the pics?

Posted by: fatcount Oct 28 2009, 04:25 PM

can you not see them? they are right there.

if not look in the writing thats in its place,it will take you to my photo bucket.thanks for the interest

Posted by: shocker Oct 29 2009, 01:24 AM

Same old story....the inside wire,where it enters the coil through the bottom washer is getting in the way of making an even layer up to the end and so as the layers proceed the lump or gap gets more pronounced and prevents the wrap going up being level so after abour 6 or eight its a right mess.I got a bundle of magnet wire that Ive stripped off laying on the floor....not good.I suppose that I could have the inner wire enter through a slot on theinside of the washer instead of a drill hole but that leaves the possibility of coating breakdown and a short with the the core,which I have had before.

Posted by: fatcount Oct 29 2009, 07:30 PM

look at it this way,first off,when you put the wire through that hole( which me personally like it as close to the core as possible. then in whatever direction your going to wrap in,push the wire against the bottom washer real hard,so you basically make a bend or a right angle in the wire (get it? it comes through the hole straight,but you make a right angle so its up against the bottom washer) then as you start wrapping,after about 3 or 4 wraps (not layers,wraps.meaning youve wrapped the wire around the core only 3 or 4 times) without taking the pressure off the wire (since you right at the start all the wire will just loosen up,not that it wont basically always loosen up if you just let go of the wire.unless your winder not only holds the wire tight,and doesnt turn backwars when let go off.which mine doesnt,but it doesnt hold the wire for me lol) take your thumb and index finger and the few wraps youve got,take the nails with the fingers i mentioned with ur free hand,and pull the few wraps as hard as you can back towrads the bottom washer,and that should get rid of any space you may have that is causing you a problem when it comes to transitioning from layer to layer.ideally if your wrapping tight enough you wont even have to do this anymore eventually.but ive found myself doing this alot when i was wrapping my first bunch of times.i wouldnt even only do it at the begining,on any layer if i saw a space happen in between two wires,id take the nails of my thumb and index finger and pull the wrap back to the last one to close that small gap between them so i can move on.

am i making sense shocker? hopefully u get my drift,if not just let me know

Posted by: shocker Oct 29 2009, 09:12 PM

Thanks mate,I had been packing back the winds with my nails but obviously I had not been paying enough attention to getting the wire flat to the washer to start with.What do you use to make the wire entry holes?Im using a 1mm drill.

Posted by: fatcount Oct 30 2009, 01:18 AM

a 1/16 so that i can get the heat shrink into the holes as well with the wire,instead of just the wire.otherwise the wires break eventually with emough movement.so that way with the bigger holes there is no exposed wire at all,and u can glue the shrink in position deep in the whole.thus lengthening the life of your coils/wires coming out of the bottom

Posted by: fatcount Oct 30 2009, 01:25 AM

im actually trying to think of a tool that i can use to do this,cause after a day of winding my fingers are kiiiilllling me.so if you have any ideas im listening.i was thinking some wire on a piece of metal the shape of a bow/as in bow and arrow (obviously miniature though.im talking maybe 3 inches tops),and couldjust hold that up against the wire as im winding so it doesnt even space out in the first place.but i cant think of where i would find a piece of metal that shape,and how i would mount the wire on it even if i did.my thought is,have a screw on each tip as well,and then i could put the wire between screw and metal,and tighten.know what i mean?

know of any one on the site who could produce such a piece of metal for me? like are there any frame builders you know of on this site?not frame assemblers i mean someone actually cutting the metal themselves.anyone like that should easily be able to make what i just talked about.

Posted by: shocker Oct 30 2009, 02:59 AM

I think you are onto something there mate....I got bunch of coils that have failed on link wire flexing,either insulation break or snapped,Given this I may try a slot cut into the innner of the washer instead of a drilled hole and force insulation up.This should allow the first layer to wind flush to the washer and stop that gap that the ensuing layers fall into.

Posted by: shocker Oct 30 2009, 03:02 AM

Im not a fabricator of frames but I have fabbed many things over the years as a farmer and heavy truck engineer,so I just qualify to answer...

...I cant quite picture what you have in mind but if you want a small sprung bow would not a needle bar suit?

Posted by: MARKT4LYF Oct 30 2009, 11:55 AM

metal would scrape the enamel off your wire

Posted by: shocker Oct 30 2009, 04:33 PM

cover with plastic,shrink wrap,wet dip,scooby tube,insulating tube,etc?

Posted by: fatcount Oct 30 2009, 08:08 PM

all good ideas i supposse.

and johnnie seriously,thanks again man. tommie you to ofcourse but you know what it is bro.ill just thank you again when i talk to you lol.

start posting already haha,i know your busy as shit,but jeez....90 something percent of what i know comes from you man.

and shocker and,markt4lyf what about a small bow like was discussed,but using the same mag wire as we are winding with? enamel on enamel a problem?

anybody who could make this for me id consider a trade (or even a reasonable cash payment,but youd need to be a respected member or have a cosign from one.sry not that im a respected member,but if im sending money it is what it is).but id need to atleast see a drawing first before i agree.and remember its pretty important to have a screw on each end,or some other device/or means of me changing the wire,string rope or whatever else markt4lyf tells me i should use as needed...lol.no but seriously what should i use in the mini bow bro if metal is no good.enameled mag wire fine?anything better u can think of?

Posted by: MARKT4LYF Oct 31 2009, 07:39 AM

enamel mag wire on enamel mag wire has the potential for damaging the coating as well, anything metallic & causing friction could cause a potential problem

Posted by: buzzbrush Oct 31 2009, 08:21 AM

your fingers harden to the task after a while, fingers give you so much feel and controle i wouldnt want to use anything else

Posted by: fatcount Oct 31 2009, 04:17 PM

i feel you on that.they do give me the best knowledge of whats going on without having to inspect carefully by eye.but damn. the pain is something fierce. and im not just making a set here and there.im making lots (gonna be selling the bulk of them).always different beautiful custom coils,with parts you will pretty much never have seen exactly the same parts before,as my stock is all being custom made or personally.thinga like washers and wraps.hopefully i can bring one more flavor to the table.will post pics as soon as i can,but you guys see how shit my camera is.what wil you really see? maybe no more point in posting more pics

Posted by: MARKT4LYF Oct 31 2009, 05:34 PM

you get used to the pain & itll eventually callous , there was a while where i was selling in bulk to a couple different builders & would sell orders of 30 or more sets, it all comes with time & practice

Posted by: fatcount Oct 31 2009, 08:16 PM

got ya,as usual man.thanks for the words of inspiration.

and the knowledge is prceless.i owe alot to guys like you.and you yourself literally lol

Posted by: bonsairock Oct 31 2009, 10:45 PM

High Tech Winding tool #1
plastic toothbrush handle, won't damage enamel and when it wears out you can steal another from the bathroom.
Very good for getting those first couple of winds real tight and gentle enough that you can chase the winds right through.
Hope this helps

Posted by: fatcount Nov 1 2009, 03:40 PM

thanks buddy,i already made my bow.will post pic later.jus a bit busy right now (multi tasking on comp). but that is deff much more low tech lol.nice job.thanks. this is turning into a good thread.

gotta say again though if it wasnt for tommie from t.w. customs we wouldnt be having this talk. dude showed me the coil winding game from the ground up,and was hard enough on me that im making sweet sets now that run on super low volts (i notices that.the better my winding get,the less loose parts.the more even.jus the more perfect they are the less volts they seem to run on,for me atleast.)

Posted by: fatcount Nov 1 2009, 04:23 PM

heres what im using,i dont really hold it to the core while its spinning,just after the first few wraps if they need tightening between the wires this seems to work as good as my fingers for now