[The Nerd]

well my boss just had her son and wanted a tattoo to represent her son so she said a small crab she wanted it oldschool but didnt want any white really in it like olschool so i had to mess around with it and it looks liek it came out pretty good ...

5rl
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classic, permapro, eternal, stable color





i do realize thiers 1 part missing by that time she was done and didnt want that 1 pot filled in ... so yeah thiers a few things i see but other than that i like it

[poconosrob]

That looks good!!

[purplethumb]

nice and simple, I like it bro good job

[deerfaced]

very nice man. I think it's one of my faves of yours.

[natebot]

I dig this one alot.

[mogie]

think it looks sick

[strick9]

nice one nerd no white???

[The Nerd]

no skin tone sorry ....

thanx everyone i enjoyed this piece a lot

[Noble]

I dont know man, I'm not jumping on the bandwagon. I think it needs more saturation, other than that, its a nice piece.

[Shaz]

" next time you need to work out your design way better before hand because it truly looks sloppy and thrown together

now on your tattoo part saturation is alright but color transition sux .. u def need to work on how u blent your colors

personally i dont like this at all and its a lazy piece in my eyes ... " the Nerd

quid pro quo dude...

Sorry Nerd that was a cheap shot - but I don't understand how you can be happy with the colour transition, outline etc on this but hammer into mine (& others) so bad - mixed messages man, mixed messages...

This post has been edited by Shaz: 17 November 2009 - 01:14 AM

[M.C.Escher]

Shaz, on Nov 17 2009, 10:11 AM, said:

" next time you need to work out your design way better before hand because it truly looks sloppy and thrown together

now on your tattoo part saturation is alright but color transition sux .. u def need to work on how u blent your colors

personally i dont like this at all and its a lazy piece in my eyes ... " the Nerd

quid pro quo dude...

Sorry Nerd that was a cheap shot - but I don't understand how you can be happy with the colour transition, outline etc on this but hammer into mine (& others) so bad - mixed messages man, mixed messages...

That really is uncalled for Shaz. I aint a game of tit for tat.




Nice piece, you have come a long way with your work well done. Why no black in the legs? I think they need more contrast and could do with a bit of black, like on the body and claws.

This post has been edited by M.C.Escher: 17 November 2009 - 01:25 AM

[Shaz]

This is really not tit for tat - like i said in my post - I just need to understand better. How does one compare to the other so drastically. The colour transition in the crab is blotchy, not smooth at all and in some parts looks almost scratchy. I'm really sorry but I am genuinely confused and just need some explanation or direction as to what the difference is between the techniques in the two tattoo's. Why is Nerds better? I can't improve if he doesn't explain the wrongs in mine. He has said that my transitions are terrible but are his any better, truly? I don't post critiscms - ever. I don't feel I have the right to. I do not have the experience, expertise or technical flair - I am still learning - will continue to till I drop dead... Nor am I meaning to upset, insult or judge anyone. I just want to know how to improve & Nerds comments/critiques do not offer any insight - they just criticise. I am more than happy to hear what he has to say - especially considering who he has teaching him.

[J.D.]

Shaz, on Nov 17 2009, 02:55 AM, said:

This is really not tit for tat - like i said in my post - I just need to understand better. How does one compare to the other so drastically. The colour transition in the crab is blotchy, not smooth at all and in some parts looks almost scratchy. I'm really sorry but I am genuinely confused and just need some explanation or direction as to what the difference is between the techniques in the two tattoo's. Why is Nerds better? I can't improve if he doesn't explain the wrongs in mine. He has said that my transitions are terrible but are his any better, truly? I don't post critiscms - ever. I don't feel I have the right to. I do not have the experience, expertise or technical flair - I am still learning - will continue to till I drop dead... Nor am I meaning to upset, insult or judge anyone. I just want to know how to improve & Nerds comments/critiques do not offer any insight - they just criticise. I am more than happy to hear what he has to say - especially considering who he has teaching him.

I'm comparing your tattoo to Nerd's because you asked. This isn't a call out. Or a shitty post. This is just what I see, and my attempt to answer your question.

When you're doing Western Traditional, you want your blends from black to color to be more abrupt. This crab tattoo's old school gradients aren't perfect, but show an understanding of how far to whip out with black. You can see there was blood that clotted here and there on the tattoo which is why the gradients look a bit more sloppy than they actually are. The blue to baby blue once again isn't perfect, but it shows a solid understanding of whip shading with a mag. Nerd used a mag and got a decent gradient with whip shading, which was the best technique for this piece. In your piece Shaz, I can see you used a round. You tried to use a few tones and blend them together as you put the ink in with small circles. A round was too small for such big areas that you needed to blend. The round made your blends choppy. If you had used a mag, and whipped your gradients out, you wouldn't have had to rely on mixing your gradients. You could have let it happen naturally with the whipped gradients of the mag overlapping each other from color to color. Nerd's line weight is pretty consistent. You admitted to your lines needing some fixing.

This is simply what I as a beginner sees. This is my opinion from studying tattooing and tattoo art for just a couple years, so I could be way off, and have no problem with being called out on my critique, but I'm pretty sure that's all pretty valid and unbiased.

[The Nerd]

^ thank you this pieces lining is by far a lot better .. my linework is usually not that gerat but the last few ive done i am super happy with ... secondly i forgot to mention this was taken the next day after she came to work ... so its gunna look a bit wierd but no excusses .. saturation on the light blue def needs a bit more no lie thier ... and i understand that ...

shiz you say what u want my friend i call it how i see it ... i never said my linework is great or my saturation is either ... this is not a game of u said this and dont do that ... i call it how i see it ur color saturation sucked .. my light blue color saturation sucked aswell ... the diffrence is mine is about 4 inches yours is about 12 ....

please dont come to my threads and try n knock heads because u get a bad crit from me .. if you dont like it by all means PM me or stay out of my way

all others thanx a lot ... JD ur right on my friend

[Shaz]

J.D., on Nov 17 2009, 10:38 PM, said:

I'm comparing your tattoo to Nerd's because you asked. This isn't a call out. Or a shitty post. This is just what I see, and my attempt to answer your question.

When you're doing Western Traditional, you want your blends from black to color to be more abrupt. This crab tattoo's old school gradients aren't perfect, but show an understanding of how far to whip out with black. You can see there was blood that clotted here and there on the tattoo which is why the gradients look a bit more sloppy than they actually are. The blue to baby blue once again isn't perfect, but it shows a solid understanding of whip shading with a mag. Nerd used a mag and got a decent gradient with whip shading, which was the best technique for this piece. In your piece Shaz, I can see you used a round. You tried to use a few tones and blend them together as you put the ink in with small circles. A round was too small for such big areas that you needed to blend. The round made your blends choppy. If you had used a mag, and whipped your gradients out, you wouldn't have had to rely on mixing your gradients. You could have let it happen naturally with the whipped gradients of the mag overlapping each other from color to color. Nerd's line weight is pretty consistent. You admitted to your lines needing some fixing.

This is simply what I as a beginner sees. This is my opinion from studying tattooing and tattoo art for just a couple years, so I could be way off, and have no problem with being called out on my critique, but I'm pretty sure that's all pretty valid and unbiased.

Hi JD - thank-you & totally understand what you are saying now. The traditional old-skool obviously has some rules & protocol that don't extend to other genre's within the art-form. I didn't mention Nerd's lining cause, honestly, his is good & mine kinda sucks. I know that. thank you again for taking the time to explain your's & Nerds comments. It really is appreciated.

[Shaz]

The Nerd, on Nov 18 2009, 12:52 AM, said:

^ thank you this pieces lining is by far a lot better .. my linework is usually not that gerat but the last few ive done i am super happy with ... secondly i forgot to mention this was taken the next day after she came to work ... so its gunna look a bit wierd but no excusses .. saturation on the light blue def needs a bit more no lie thier ... and i understand that ...

shiz you say what u want my friend i call it how i see it ... i never said my linework is great or my saturation is either ... this is not a game of u said this and dont do that ... i call it how i see it ur color saturation sucked .. my light blue color saturation sucked aswell ... the diffrence is mine is about 4 inches yours is about 12 ....

please dont come to my threads and try n knock heads because u get a bad crit from me .. if you dont like it by all means PM me or stay out of my way

all others thanx a lot ... JD ur right on my friend

Sorry Nerd - won't happen again. Like I said it's just my crappy sense of humour.