[fatcount]

heres my 5th pig skin tattoo.used my new build (posted a few posts down,would love to hear comments) for all the shading.i love it.runs super smooth and slow,with a longish stroke.used a kaplan diamond back frame,with my own hadmade coils

here ya go,angel of death








this is the first piece ive done that im actually happy with.not to say its good,but whippiing,and shading in general finally clicked.let me know your thougjts please ink trails!!!

[J.D.]

It's a good feeling when it starts to click huh? Great job man. Keep at it.

[fatcount]

J.D., on Nov 5 2009, 07:01 PM, said:

It's a good feeling when it starts to click huh? Great job man. Keep at it.

it truly is,especially when im running a machine i built,and the coils too,and getting the best results ive ever had.very rewarding.thanks j.d. think im headed in the right direction? or am i picking up any bad habits that u can see?

[J.D.]

fatcount, on Nov 5 2009, 06:08 PM, said:

it truly is,especially when im running a machine i built,and the coils too,and getting the best results ive ever had.very rewarding.thanks j.d. think im headed in the right direction? or am i picking up any bad habits that u can see?

I can't tell. I may have some bad habits myself. The biggest thing I couldn't figure out with pig was the stretch for the lining. Try to remind yourself to stretch as much as possible with pig, even if you don't need to. Getting in the habit of producing a nice tight surface area to line on was, and still is my biggest hurdle.

[Moon]

study some more anatomy. this design is lacking alot.

[J.D.]

Moon, on Nov 5 2009, 08:01 PM, said:

study some more anatomy. this design is lacking alot.

It's a flash piece. I've seen it before. He held very true to the stencil from what I remember of the design. Classic busted cholo flash. Forget who's it is though.

[fatcount]

J.D., on Nov 5 2009, 08:14 PM, said:

It's a flash piece. I've seen it before. He held very true to the stencil from what I remember of the design. Classic busted cholo flash. Forget who's it is though.

ding ding ding.....in my humble opinion i did better than the flash.shading the boddy to have some muscle tone that wasnt there,and also all the shading in the pic was cross hatched,so small diamonds basically.this is a big impovement on it.as for the lining i stayed exactly true to design and traced.

guys thank you,please keept it comin/ my first decent piece,would like to get as much knowledge of my "mistakes" as possible.even on a decent pice.

as a newb sometimes i see pieces that i love get ripped apart i know im not even at some of those guys level yet,so just wanna learb where i do alot of learnin.

thank you to everyone who has looked,and a huge thank you to anyone who has commented on my work

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[Noz187]

you did a good job , it is on perforated pig skin too. nice 1

[Moon]

goddamn they sell that as flash?

Maybe you should try practicing with flash that actually looks good. You'll learn more trying to reproduce the Mona Lisa, than tracing crude bathroom graffiti. Just my 2 cents

[SkynYard Apprentice]

As Moon said, design is very lacking. But, that's not your fault, and it's all practise. Saying that, i would suggest practising with a slightly higher grade of design, or if you find it difficult finding decent flash work try to do some of your own.

About the actual tattoo; In general i think it is executed fairly well, although there are a few blips in the line work and the shading (for example around the chest area), as a whole it's not bad at all and definately a good starting point. Keep at it buddy!

[fatcount]

Noz187, on Nov 7 2009, 04:08 PM, said:

you did a good job , it is on perforated pig skin too. nice 1

thank you,yea i live in a jewish neighborhood,so its hArd to find anything pig.there is an italian grocery near my doctors tho,and all they sell is pork rind skin.all i can get

thanks for thje kind words

[fatcount]

Moon, on Nov 7 2009, 06:16 PM, said:

goddamn they sell that as flash?

Maybe you should try practicing with flash that actually looks good. You'll learn more trying to reproduce the Mona Lisa, than tracing crude bathroom graffiti. Just my 2 cents

dude i dont know what your problem with me or my work is.im less then 3 months into this.this is probably the 4th or 5th time my needle has touched any skin,pig or human.i think its ok for as short a time as ive been wanting to do this.

i heard you the first time when you told me i need to work on anatomy,and even appreciated the crit!!,just like i heard you tell some other guy too work on ur anatomy,without out any reference or anything positive to say,just "work on ur anatomy".broken records go in the garbage you know?

J.D. came in here and told you,yes its flash.yes i stayed true to it,and considering that, i think did a good job.so you come back to bash me about my choice of flash? seriously dude? are you that fucking miserable? this was just an exercise in me learning to shade and get used ro my new build and see how it runs,and go from value to value smoothly,who cares what design i use to do that?

and im sorry to the rest of you.i dont mean to come off bad.im sure moon knows his shit.ive looked in his gallery,if those are your tats,good on ya.but what the fuck.you said what you had to say.got shot down when you heard its actually the same as the flash,so yyou say id be better off inking the mona lisa on pig right?well that could be said about anybody whos tattooing anything on pig....well youd get better practice tattooing the mona lisa instead of that killer skull and cross bones you just did.

understand why im bothered when guys come in,give one line crits.with no reference on how,where or even why.go read the feedback guidlines at the top of the page.

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[fatcount]

SkynYard Apprentice, on Nov 8 2009, 01:33 AM, said:

As Moon said, design is very lacking. But, that's not your fault, and it's all practise. Saying that, i would suggest practising with a slightly higher grade of design, or if you find it difficult finding decent flash work try to do some of your own.

About the actual tattoo; In general i think it is executed fairly well, although there are a few blips in the line work and the shading (for example around the chest area), as a whole it's not bad at all and definately a good starting point. Keep at it buddy!

thank you,i will keep that in mind for my next adventure

[Moon]

relax man. had you said from the start that that shitty design wasnt yours I wouldve just gave you pointers in lines. I got no problem with your work... dont even recognize it. I do have a problem with shitty designs. All Im saying is that if you're reproducing something that doesnt challenge you you're not gonna learn shit.

Hell, i didnt do ridiculously complicated designs when I first started, but I made damn sure they were at least halfway decent. Here, have some pictures.




That said, nobody's "BASHING" you. if you're that insecure and cant take crits from people who might know something about anything, dont post. If you're starting out, you should know that being humble takes you far when you're not producing the best damn tattoos in the world.

Oh, and if I do sound like a broken record with the "work on your anatomy" its because its something that should be basic knowledge for more complicated designs and alot of people dont take it into account.


/rant

[fatcount]

Moon, on Nov 8 2009, 10:10 AM, said:

relax man. had you said from the start that that shitty design wasnt yours I wouldve just gave you pointers in lines. I got no problem with your work... dont even recognize it. I do have a problem with shitty designs. All Im saying is that if you're reproducing something that doesnt challenge you you're not gonna learn shit.

Hell, i didnt do ridiculously complicated designs when I first started, but I made damn sure they were at least halfway decent. Here, have some pictures.




That said, nobody's "BASHING" you. if you're that insecure and cant take crits from people who might know something about anything, dont post. If you're starting out, you should know that being humble takes you far when you're not producing the best damn tattoos in the world.

Oh, and if I do sound like a broken record with the "work on your anatomy" its because its something that should be basic knowledge for more complicated designs and alot of people dont take it into account.


/rant

to be honest,i wouldve much rather you came at me this way to begin with,telling me something i can learn from,or giving me a visual that may accomplish the same,other than a 1 liner was my first point.and the second was is im just starting out building aswell and achieve a means of satisfaction when the piece i make for shading shades,and the piece i make for lining lines etc.thats why i was so excited to achieve some of the better different values i ever have before with a piece made specifically for that.as far as the design being lacking in this case is of no importance to what im trying to achieve in the piece.with that said im going to do eveything in it to the best of my ability,not just the shading,even if that is the sole reason i chose the design (because it gave me alot of room to try whipping and achieving some nice smooth gradients,so i was excited when i saw i was on my way,with something i made from my own hands.guess i should've been more clear in the op) but can u not see what a more positive post the last one you made was? and u still got to come at me just as hard.lol

and its not me being thin skinned or anything,i love the crit.i just feel if your gonna post something like you dide,atleast preface it with some useful info on what i can do about what your going to bash me with.know what i mean?

with that said,theres no beef man,its all good.like i said i looked at ur gallery,good shit.i just know you could have been more constructive.and when you came back and were just as if not less constructive,i felt like i wanted to say something.simple as that

[Moon]

cool

[fatcount]

Moon, on Nov 8 2009, 01:20 PM, said:

cool

hug it out bitch? lol jk

and unless you dont watch tv no explanation needed,but its an entourage quote