Guidelines for Giving Feedback
Guidelines for Giving FeedbackPlease consider the following when giving feedback on a member's tattoo:
Line work: Does the artist seem to have grasped the technique of applying smooth, consistent lines? Do the lines flow with no shakes, skips or blow-outs?
Fill: Are all color and black areas a consistent color?
Shading: Does the tattoo show smooth gradients and transition effectively from light to dark?
Color Harmony: Does the tattoo have colors that compliment each other?
Placement/Size: Does the tattoo seem to be the right size for the area chosen? Is it centered and lined up with any other work? Does it go with the flow of the body?
Design: How well does the overall design work? Does it have sound composition? Does it feel well thought out?
Feedback: What areas could be improved?
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 Nov 20 2009, 12:47 PM
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i made a move to florida and finally got myself some real work. found that apprenticeship i was after
its in a small shop which is fairly slow which is good for me...gives me time to learn more as i go well before i made the move i had so much work i was turning it down. i think i may have fucked up by moving because business here is slow.. who knows i may just migrate back home but for now here is some of my latest work... got to missin ya'll so i figured id say hello with some pics these were done with 7rl ONE black mixture of moms intenze and starbrites
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Nov 21 2009, 01:45 PM
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QUOTE (skullsdontfade @ Nov 21 2009, 09:12 AM)  in the area i work, there are two terrible shops. this work is below those, i believe. it's incredibly disappointing that "artists" are okay with putting this shit on people. it's not good, chuck, it's bad. i don't care what the customer thinks. most of the time, the customer doesn't know a good tattoo from a piss poor one, in my eyes. that's how shitty shops maintain a clientele and stay open. especially when other good shops are in the area. chuck, it's up to you to be able to see a good and bad tattoo. if you can't do that, you're dead in the water and may as well quit. complacency is a tattoo artist's worst enemy. shitty shops maintain a clientèle and stay open because they do cheap ass tattoos ... they dont want to pay for exceptional art so they go to "Shittylism" and get a $25 piece of crap.. and god knows what else they pick up along the way... -------------------- Nosferatu1812@yahoo.com
CLICK ME " Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy,and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty"- Plato |
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Nov 22 2009, 12:49 AM
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QUOTE (Noz187 @ Nov 21 2009, 03:24 AM) book yourself and chuck into spec savers for an eye test. and while your there book an Art Foundation Course at the Local College/ Night School. I probably have more years of art education and creative job experience than you are old. So, spare me the snot-fucking-nosed jabs, okay? |
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Nov 22 2009, 12:57 AM
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Teo, I agree with you that Marco and JD are amazing artists and produce great work. chikkenlips & supernummy I haven't seen taking part on this board as much as M & JD so they pretty much exited my mind. They *do* get props for great work, and I do admit that as well.
Pigs do help you get your shit down, yes, but you also must recognize that it's quite different from a life human. And, no matter how much you practice on a dead pig, it's going to be very different once you do a person. Facts, as I'm sure you can attest to. I'm not trying to get all uppity. It's really not my style. So, no enemies here. And, I think the points I were trying to make got lost in translation. For some reason, this board got kinda harsh all of a sudden, and it might be best if I just go back to lurking. QUOTE (Teo @ Nov 21 2009, 03:02 AM) not having a pop at you mate but just to give my opinion on your statements, as for the work in the thread...im not gona flog a dead horse and repeat whats been said 20 times already please see chikkenlips,Mario and supernummy's work ... pretty good does not do them justice so please give credit where its due again , one word JD , the mans a living testament to "dead slab style" look what he is producing now...hard to say what you did and then take JD into account trying to protect some ones art and justify the work is one thing... but downright disregarding the actual facts are another.. again i say this with a calm typing voice so dont get uppity on me k  |
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Nov 22 2009, 03:31 AM
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chuck, you never have listened to a word of advice anyone has given you. YOU NEED TO STOP, look at your work, and think "where the fuck am I going with this?"
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Nov 22 2009, 04:37 AM
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QUOTE (feral bunny @ Nov 22 2009, 01:49 AM) I probably have more years of art education and creative job experience than you are old. So, spare me the snot-fucking-nosed jabs, okay? oh really? i have an Art degree.. ive worked in Print , Graphic Design and I am a PUBLISHED photographer... you my friend are blind.. good job on the tattoos... lmfao . go poke urself. -------------------- Nosferatu1812@yahoo.com
CLICK ME " Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy,and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty"- Plato |
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Nov 22 2009, 04:47 AM
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QUOTE (feral bunny @ Nov 22 2009, 01:57 AM) Teo, I agree with you that Marco and JD are amazing artists and produce great work. chikkenlips & supernummy I haven't seen taking part on this board as much as M & JD so they pretty much exited my mind. They *do* get props for great work, and I do admit that as well. Pigs do help you get your shit down, yes, but you also must recognize that it's quite different from a life human. And, no matter how much you practice on a dead pig, it's going to be very different once you do a person. Facts, as I'm sure you can attest to. I'm not trying to get all uppity. It's really not my style. So, no enemies here. And, I think the points I were trying to make got lost in translation. For some reason, this board got kinda harsh all of a sudden, and it might be best if I just go back to lurking. it got all harsh when you told chuck he did a good job on some very bad tattoos... do you think you are helping him out by being nice to him? do you seriously think he did a good job? all those years of " art education and creative job experience " and you cant tell a good tattoo from a very bad one... do urself a favour and go back to lurking.. -------------------- Nosferatu1812@yahoo.com
CLICK ME " Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy,and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty"- Plato |
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Nov 22 2009, 05:13 AM
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my favourites the wizard
-------------------- "Life is the hardest teacher, she gives the test first and the lesson afterwards"
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Nov 22 2009, 06:02 AM
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QUOTE (Noz187 @ Nov 21 2009, 05:45 PM) shitty shops maintain a clientèle and stay open because they do cheap ass tattoos ... they dont want to pay for exceptional art so they go to "Shittylism" and get a $25 piece of crap.. and god knows what else they pick up along the way... while that's the case sometimes, some of these shit shops in my area charge comparable prices to the good shops. it's mind blowing. |
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Nov 22 2009, 07:43 AM
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I'm new to this forum and honestly this thread is the scariest thing I've seen in along time. There are many horrible things that can be said about all the tattoos Chuck posted. From what I've gathered he's posted bad tattoos in the past and still hasn't taken a step back. Chuck, I hope you take the responses in this post to heart and step away from your machines.
P.S. I will surely have nightmares about your fairies hands.... Thanks Chuck  Graves. This post has been edited by Graves: Nov 22 2009, 08:00 AM |
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Nov 22 2009, 08:09 AM
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QUOTE (natebot @ Nov 20 2009, 05:37 PM) Mixed emotions; Firstly, just the fact that somebody is willing to give you a job out of a legitimate shop and you had at once so much work that you were forced to turn it down gives me high hopes. If this is the current standard out there, I'm not too worried about finding work once the time comes. Secondly, the fact that you show no sort of remorse, humility, or modesty is pretty fucking baffling. You're putting out crap and you're proud of it. The second somebody's calling you out, you use the age old "the customer was happy with it so....." excuse. But you don't stop there. You go on to compare your work with something found on a "bad tattoo site". WTF. No matter what you do, you'll always be able to find something worse. By no means should this method be used to rate your own work. The one difference I've always noticed about an "artist" and "somebody that does art" is the struggle for perfection. A true artist will always see the flaws in his work (which means that he's always looking for the things he can improve on), whereas the person that simply does art is always happy with his work (which means that he sees no room for improvement). Honestly, I think you're falling into the second category. Please, take a listen to the people on this board, don't get so defensive when they call it the way they see it, and show a little humility. You'd be surprised at how much there is to be learned if you're just willing to admit that you have lots to learn. hey chuck! you know i like you bro, but i gotta agree man. the post above was a very polite and honest evaluation bro. the tattoos are pretty bad. you gotta draw bro and not cherry creek flash lieces i mean quality drawings start simple your basic skull say, find light sources work on perfect lines (on paper bro) maybe take an art class at a nearby college or go to drawspace thats a good site. but you gotta make a serious change bro and develop an "artists eye" i applaud your determination bro but you should really be developing your craft on non living canvas. please work harder if you intend to keep at it |
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Nov 22 2009, 12:53 PM
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déjà vu ...... all these words were spoken to Chuck over 12 months ago. He isn't going to listen to anyone, regardless of their experience and quality of work. You know I like you Chuck but I was hoping to see some real improvements, considering how hard I thought you was working.... Although the eagle is your best piece in these pics, I am very disappointed overall
-------------------- "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life."
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Nov 22 2009, 10:37 PM
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I'm going to say this as simply as possible. I'm new to the tattoo medium, but I'm a veteran in the artistic world. Some people are simply not artist material. Of course, you need to be an artist to put art on people's skin. You can't learn to change a tire, than decide its time to rebuild your mother's engine. It just doesn't work like that. Of course you can try, but the results will speak for itself.
I would suggest you stop practicing on people, maybe with the exception of yourself. But before you touch a machine again, pickup some pencils and some good drawing books. Learn about depth and perspective. Learn all about value and contrast. Its obvious you're putting effort into what you're doing, but you're putting effort into the wrong places. The time you're wasting skipping a critical step, which happens to be the backbone of almost all art (drawing), could be spent improving your tattooing skills by improving your drawing skills. You're kidding yourself and you're taking advantage of customers' ignorance. The reason they might say "its fine the way it is" is because they don't plan on having you touch them again and create worse damage. I'm just being realistic here. Please don't take offense in my post, its meant to help. |
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Nov 22 2009, 11:36 PM
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Okay. I stand corrected about the background bit. And I humbly rescind that comment. But, about the rest of your statement...
There's nothing constructive coming out of bullshit cheap shots like this and quite honestly I think it's fucking childish that so many of you stoop to the level of a fucking goddamned internet troll just to try and make your fucking point. And, if you want to fucking play like that then have fun with it. QUOTE (Noz187 @ Nov 22 2009, 05:37 AM) oh really? i have an Art degree.. ive worked in Print , Graphic Design and I am a PUBLISHED photographer... you my friend are blind.. good job on the tattoos... lmfao . go poke urself. |
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Nov 22 2009, 11:39 PM
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No, it actually got all harsh when some of you started to take cheap shots and spout bullshit instead of being helpful and informative.
And now, I'm not ashamed to say this, but go fuck yourself. Seriously. Congrats. You finally fucking got to me. Ciao, bitches. And congrats. You got my $20. QUOTE (Noz187 @ Nov 22 2009, 05:47 AM) it got all harsh when you told chuck he did a good job on some very bad tattoos... do you think you are helping him out by being nice to him? do you seriously think he did a good job? all those years of " art education and creative job experience " and you cant tell a good tattoo from a very bad one... do urself a favour and go back to lurking..
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Nov 23 2009, 12:26 AM
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Dad's home!
 What the fuck happened here!  Why is there shit all over the walls?! Why is your sister crying?! Why are you brother's tattoo machines hanging from the ceiling fan by shoe strings!? Who put the pig skin in the microwave to defrost?! Who left that $20 bill on the floor? Go to your rooms! Topic closed. -------------------- |
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