Guidelines for Giving Feedback
Guidelines for Giving FeedbackPlease consider the following when giving feedback on a member's tattoo:
Line work: Does the artist seem to have grasped the technique of applying smooth, consistent lines? Do the lines flow with no shakes, skips or blow-outs?
Fill: Are all color and black areas a consistent color?
Shading: Does the tattoo show smooth gradients and transition effectively from light to dark?
Color Harmony: Does the tattoo have colors that compliment each other?
Placement/Size: Does the tattoo seem to be the right size for the area chosen? Is it centered and lined up with any other work? Does it go with the flow of the body?
Design: How well does the overall design work? Does it have sound composition? Does it feel well thought out?
Feedback: What areas could be improved?
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 Dec 18 2007, 04:34 PM
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QUOTE(Jason @ Dec 18 2007, 05:26 PM)  I just think in an art like tattooing, which is permanent you should be judged against the best standards. Both in terms of artistic ability and execution. I loved it when Shorty gave me real feedback. Whether or not I agreed, I like hearing what others think I need work on. that's true i suppose . i guess even if i don't agree with the opinion its still good in the sense that the next time i do a piece i'll be thinkin about that particular criticism and will damn sure not make the same mistake again(if there was one). but i will continue to value some opinions far more than others........ |
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 Dec 18 2007, 05:06 PM
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Well the thing is....unfortunantly, we as human beings, learn our best lessons from the worst mistakes, lol. That is the nature of US. I used to have a fabrication shop foreman that I had the utmost respect for, simply because , here this guy was, Army Ranger Vietnam vet, one of the best pipe welders I have ever seen (taught me hehe), well respected in the Church and highly thought of in his community....someone that anyone could see, as soon as you met him...had earned and deserved respect from everyone. Now ,even though he had great experience in welding practices, he had not done much sheet metal layout and design. When he took over in the shop, one of the first things he did was come over to me while I was laying out the dimensions to shear and brake a cone out of a sheet of 11ga. stainless and he said " Listen, I would like to watch you do that piece, but if you don't care, would you explain it as you go. I 've never done this type of work, let alone form a cone out of a flat sheet of metal." and he followed with "Explain it to me like I'm a 5 year old, you won't hurt my feelings lol...I'll take a baby aspirin and be all right in the mornin'!"
His outlook on life really influenced me, as at the time (some 15 years ago) I was still in that mode like alot of younger guys...that I felt like there was something wrong if I did'nt already know how to do something lol. Now if a fellow with a life background like this fella' can still be humble at his age, with ALL his accomplishments,( and there are many more that I learned over time),.....then why is it so hard for people to take critisism on something that they claim to have their HEART in doing. Yeah, you might not like what is told to you , if they're being honest but, how ELSE will you learn. there is nothing wrong with saying "I don't know how..." Critiqueing should be TAKEN as another step in the right direction, and GIVEN as constructive and honest, other wise, whats the point?? I don't know if anyone has payed any attention to my little saying at the bottom of my posts but, it says "You are only as smart as the part of the world your standing in." He was the one who said that to me. Think about it thoroughly, makes alot of sense, and carries over into all things in life lol. Peace Brothers R. -------------------- [color="#800080"][/color][font="Impact"][/font]"Your only as smart as the part of the world your standing in."
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Dec 19 2007, 04:05 AM
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Sounds like a wise man,
great idea to take a page from his book. Good post man. -------------------- "Giger, you see more than we domesticated primates."
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Dec 19 2007, 06:34 AM
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i agree some people don' t take the time to really look at the work and critique properly and some are give people the idea that they're tattooing skills are good which are not this is a good post
-------------------- i will be relentless in my opinions , the truth hurts like an ugly tattoo
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Dec 19 2007, 03:56 PM
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Well ,I , by no means intend to to try and make anyone think my stuff is up to par compared to alot of professional stuff out there, but I have been around tattooing most my life as my mother used to tattoo back when I was little fella', she used to tattoo all her biker friends and covered my stepfather.....she did alot of fantasy women and beasts....Frazetta type art.....only problem I later realized is, she did'nt do it in a shop enviroment like it should have been.....all home done and push needle.....her stuff always turned out great considering it was done like that....and she always tried to keep it clean....but with what I know now lol, alot more could and should have been done....but , hey! thats some of that ol' school tattooing history for ya'. But, again I make no claims to be the best or even GOOD for that matter, I just got back into all of it a couple of years ago and I'm workin' on it EVERY day, I either draw, read or tattoo every day. I only offer suggestions because I have spent the mojority of my life (40 yrs.) around tattoos or tattooing in some form or another......I know what a GOOD tattoo is suppose to look like, just cant quite get there yet myself LOL.
Peace Brothers R. -------------------- [color="#800080"][/color][font="Impact"][/font]"Your only as smart as the part of the world your standing in."
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Dec 30 2007, 12:05 PM
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I am not at a professional level, and haven't posted anything I've done yet. I'm waiting to be able to have more than one album, or to start a thread showing my progression so far. I have only done small simple things and I will be posting them soon however.
I may not be able to critique the process or techniques with any leg to stand on, but I do have eyes and I know what looks good, and unfortunately what looks bad as well. I want to participate in this based on how I see things in terms of whether it looks good to me or not, the key word here being me. I think I should be able to say whether I like something or not and why without being attacked because I am not at a professional level of tattooing. I have tons of magazines and pictures of tattoos on my PC and have done a lot of studying the images of quality work and I have good eyes. I can see when a tattoo looks bad and I should be able to say that, even though I can't show better. I will also say so when they look good. I apologize as I have already posted a few of my opinions before I read this thread. I will refrain from doing so until I hear from a mod. or admin. as to if it is OK to post my views. -------------------- An it harm none,
Do what ye will. Ink is for life, don't make it a scar! "In any attempt to learn things, a systematic method of study is required... In any case of trying to prove things, accurate measurements must be made. A world without measurements would be a world of chaos" Bill Baker. |
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Dec 30 2007, 01:09 PM
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QUOTE(insight @ Dec 30 2007, 09:05 PM) I apologize as I have already posted a few of my opinions before I read this thread. I will refrain from doing so until I hear from a mod. or admin. as to if it is OK to post my views. mate, why did you put this on the end? im totally confused by it, but i cant say i wasnt thinking the same about myself....... i just wondered if i missed something that was in this thread ?? |
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Dec 30 2007, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE(tatboy69 @ Dec 18 2007, 06:38 PM) i agree that an honest critique is a good thing but to often i'm seein artists at a very beginning level bein the harshest critics. and often without posting any of their own work to be scrutinized. i respect certain peoples opinions immensely (like mark,gettattoo,jabbardstown,joe blow, etc.....)because they are at a high level of expertise and keep it honest. its kind of laughable though to me when a rookie artist who isn't doin quality work tries to rip apart work of a higher level than they themselves are capable of. anyone is capable of havin an opinion. a critique should be done by someone with some degree of skill (or at least by someone who is themselves subject to their work bein picked apart). talk is cheap and everyone's a critic.......to that i say put up or shut up. i can't respect an opinion of an unaccomplished artist really. what are they basin their opinions on? just my two cents and i could be way off base here............mark does make a good point though especially if the critique is based on the outlined criteria. i guess i just feel that not everyone is qualified to critique (my opinion) QUOTE(tatboy69 @ Dec 18 2007, 06:49 PM) i agree. and i do try to be open to peoples opinions , but i hate the competitive b.s. especially comin from someone who hasn't subjected their own works to scrutiny or is just not very good.........ahhhhh hell with it..rip me apart. it just means i won't make the same mistakes next time. I was referring to these 2 posts earlier in the thread. I don't want to get crap for posting my views because I haven't done any complex tattoos, or even posted any of my simple ones, and because I'm not a practicing tattoo artist yet. -------------------- An it harm none,
Do what ye will. Ink is for life, don't make it a scar! "In any attempt to learn things, a systematic method of study is required... In any case of trying to prove things, accurate measurements must be made. A world without measurements would be a world of chaos" Bill Baker. |
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Dec 30 2007, 01:50 PM
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ahh right on mate.do you think that the critique thing should be reviewed? so that "qualified artists/tattoo artists " should only be allowed to critique? or do you think that anyone with eyes can see a good/not so good piece? i must admit, lately im kind of apprehensive about pointing out things that are clearly not so good,through the "fear" of backlash. do you think that by posting work in show n tell, that the poster is giving permission to everyone on here to critique their work?
i think the whole critique thing needs a big review personally.maybe moderated posting? its a touchy subject.many times i have gone to post something then thought " shit, what if he/she takes that the wrong way, and then decided not to. purely for the fact that i dont feel qualified to critique ANYONE on here, as a tattoo artist anyway. |
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Dec 30 2007, 02:04 PM
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thing is are there enugh qualified artists ont eh forum to critique work .. and of so why are they not doing so on the posts? the main reason i often asnwer is cos i see a post go unanswered and that can be as disheartening as bad critique ...
as for how people take it .. its for them to own ... if they can't a critique then they shouldn;t post. i do think some members need to rermember its not their place to defend someone elses work though ... 
-------------------- Facebook me ... blackwidow footie/myspace me ... bwidow2001
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Dec 30 2007, 02:38 PM
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has yiou beein droinking agoin BW? lol
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Dec 30 2007, 02:44 PM
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QUOTE(DELETED @ Dec 30 2007, 10:38 PM) has yiou beein droinking agoin BW? lol No i haven't been drinking .. i am just illiterate! well actually i have been drinking ... but i can't spell when sober either! This post has been edited by Blackwidow: Dec 30 2007, 02:44 PM -------------------- Facebook me ... blackwidow footie/myspace me ... bwidow2001
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Dec 30 2007, 08:55 PM
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This is a difficult subject.
I think that if someone posts a tattoo they did, they should be able to take whatever is said about it, either way, good or bad, and be able to take it from anyone who has something to say about it AND not get sore if it is not what they expected. There will always be smart asses that don't know shit about tattoos that are going to cut anything they didn't do down. These are the ones that need to somehow be weeded out of the critique forum. Maybe make it so people have to critique a series of images with correct answers before they can participate. This would possibly eliminate most of them simply because most idiots like them won't take the time to do anything like that(the "test"). Or make it so that when critiquing, the series of considerations at the beginning of the post must be commented on, but that goes more toward the "artist only" side of it. Another way would possibly be to only let people who have posted their artwork do the critiquing? I think that there are more than just experienced tattoo artists that know what a good tattoo looks like. I am not a professional yet, but I sure as hell know when I see a shitty tattoo. I don't mean something I don't like, that doesn't make a tattoo shitty. I can appreciate any style and taste whether I like it or not, but style and taste don't make any tattoo good. I can't always say exactly why a tattoo doesn't look good, but if it doesn't, then it simply doesn't and I think people should at least be able to say that no matter what level of experience we are at. I don't have the answers to solve this, but like blackwidow said, the pros don't always do the work, and letting a post go unanswered is probably worse for the poor posters self esteem than a bad review. In a perfect world, only intelligent people would be tattooing and those intelligent people would know what they were doing before they started tattooing people and they would know that they were doing a good tattoo, so all posts would be of good tattoos and there would be all good reviews. Unfortunately, this is not the case and any idiot can buy a tattoo kit and scribble on other people. Most idiots don't know what a good tattoo looks like because they think their 2nd grade level art is good. They post it thinking that it is good without looking at the level of quality that they are up against and then get all pissed off when someone tells them to learn how to draw before they tattoo. Then they feel the need to pick apart work that is clearly better than theirs in most other peoples eyes, because they still think that their scribbles are better than good work because they are IDIOTS. I don't think there is a way to solve this short of killing off all the idiots in the world, and unfortunately, we can't do that. -------------------- An it harm none,
Do what ye will. Ink is for life, don't make it a scar! "In any attempt to learn things, a systematic method of study is required... In any case of trying to prove things, accurate measurements must be made. A world without measurements would be a world of chaos" Bill Baker. |
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Jan 1 2008, 03:28 AM
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I tihnk it just takes a little snesibility & discretion to post critiques. Look at everyting, not just the piece. If possible, try to learn a bit about the artist, where they are coming from, how long they've been at it etc.
This would help to make a more subjective opinion. Also, just be thoughtful about it. It's easy to say,"You're seriously scarring people for life man. Give it up" It's just as easy to say,"You have potential, you are artistic, but practice on pig/fruit to get a feel for the tools etc, you will improve "--(which is sooooo true too often). Most of the poor posts in show & tell do have artistic ability, potential, sometimes attitude(joke). But they also need a push in the right direction. Not a push out contention. There are exceptions. I just haven't seen them yet. I did have something else on mind. . . .forget, for now. 
-------------------- "Giger, you see more than we domesticated primates."
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Jan 17 2008, 11:30 PM
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whats happened to electric voodo's karp that was on here? did i miss something
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Feb 11 2008, 10:20 PM
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Man there is alot of reviews here.
You are working on someones skin and you cannot let someone think they are good when they are not. I posted one of my first ones and was expecting to be hammered. The comments were good, More about watching out forself and othere by keeping a sterile envornment. I think as long as people are not too harsh and be carefull with words it easy to get the message. As mogie said to me, remember to use pig skins not people. |
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Mar 23 2008, 10:58 AM
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My two cents.. I tend to be less critical and have actually had someone post below mine that THEY were gonna keep it "REAL". Art is a subjective medium. And my opinion isn't invalidated because of my lack of tattooing skill. 'Nuff said!
-------------------- I'm only here because I'm not all there.
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Mar 23 2008, 12:29 PM
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I personally dont buy the whole "You need to be better than me to critique me" thing.... If you have an artistic eye, and a basic knowledge of composition, technique, gradients, etc...you can pick out flaws, errors, and areas of improvement on a piece. As Ive mentioned before, I know people who cant draw worth a crap, but they know a good tattoo when they see one, and they can tell you what makes a crap tattoo suck when they see a crap tattoo. The bottom line is, the critique given is either true and acurate, completely off base and wrong, or subjective. If its true, then its true, regardless of who it comes from. If its wrong or off base, just talk it out and explain where eachother is coming from, Ive learned alot through those sort of discussions. And if its subjective, then theres no debate, thats prefference. I totally understand giving an artist the respect their due. I do understand the feeling of being "unworthy" of critiquing certain peoples work...But I sure hope people never feel unworthy to critique mine, no matter what skill level I may one day achieve. I learn alot from the opinions of others...other artists will see things I wont, they will preffer things I wont, and them telling me their thoughts gives me the benefit of capturing a piece of what they may have done different...then I get to take and leave the parts that i think will make me a better artist. I think the artists that reach what appears to be an unattainable level, do so by remaining teachable, and drawing influence and growth from every single possible source available to them. On the flip side, Ive seen artists peak very early in their development because their pride wont let them accept critisizm or suggestion....To me thats such a shame...especially when the artist does show natural talent.
I think the worst thing that could possibly happen to this site, would be for it to become a place where we enable and encourage people to do crap tattoos and blow smoke at people who have painfully obvious areas that need improvement, just for the sake of not hurting anyones feelings. I for one would LOVE to see the show and tell have more and more impressive pieces in it, week by week. I know this is a forum aimed at those learning to tattoo, so it includes all skill levels...so of course we will see some not so hot tattoos, but I think the key is to remain teachable. I always get super stoked when I see a member post a piece that shows HUGE growth from previous pieces. Those are the ones who dont let their feelings get in the way of their passion for the artform. |
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Mar 23 2008, 12:40 PM
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Well said toph. And just for the record < I personally don't mind someone criticizing my critique if they feel I'm doing the person who posted the work an injustice by being too lenient, or not critical enough. (I'm pretty sure I haven't done that as of yet. ) I think it'll help if I actually preface all my critiques with a disclaimer.?!
And on a side note, tongue planted firmly in cheek, I once heard someone say "It really isn't art unless you need someone to explain it to you." This post has been edited by rocklife: Mar 23 2008, 12:49 PM -------------------- I'm only here because I'm not all there.
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Nov 6 2008, 04:52 PM
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QUOTE (insight @ Dec 30 2007, 02:35 PM) I was referring to these 2 posts earlier in the thread. I don't want to get crap for posting my views because I haven't done any complex tattoos, or even posted any of my simple ones, and because I'm not a practicing tattoo artist yet. I think the idea is not that anyones views are not welcome but HOW one expresses those views I know it sounds very grammar school with the whole being NICE angle but isn't that part of our shtick here? We support and inform each other where other forums would (and DO) shun us. I like the story The Shrink shared. Ignorance is not the same thing as stupidity. -------------------- ..................~*~.................... Easy to replace, impossible to duplicate. |
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