Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )


> Guidelines for Giving Feedback

Please consider the following when giving feedback on a member's tattoo:

Line work: Does the artist seem to have grasped the technique of applying smooth, consistent lines? Do the lines flow with no shakes, skips or blow-outs?

Fill: Are all color and black areas a consistent color?

Shading: Does the tattoo show smooth gradients and transition effectively from light to dark?

Color Harmony:
Does the tattoo have colors that compliment each other?

Placement/Size:
Does the tattoo seem to be the right size for the area chosen? Is it centered and lined up with any other work? Does it go with the flow of the body?

Design: How well does the overall design work? Does it have sound composition? Does it feel well thought out?

Feedback: What areas could be improved?

Tattoo Critique
Mario AKA mark
post Jun 13 2007, 12:43 AM
Post #1



Ink Slinger
*****

Group: Moderator
Posts: 3,322
Joined: 24-March 07
From: San Francisco
Member No.: 74


It’s come up that critiques are a little too lenient on tattoos that need a little help. Here are some questions that need to be asked when analyzing a tattoo. You can even copy and paste these and use the subjects to answer how the person did or didn’t do well on a certain area on their piece.

This is far more professional then “ wow that’s awesome” or “ that sucks sell your shit on EBAY.”


Tattoo Critique:

Line work: does the artist seem to have grasped the technique of applying smooth consistent lines. Do they flow with no shakes, skips or scratchy places in the tattoo. Are the lines a full dark black where they need to be?

Fill: Are all color and black areas a consistent color with no light, overworked or inconsistent areas?

Shading: Does the tattoo show good gradients from light to dark and transition from color to color?

Color Harmony: Does the tattoo have colors that compliment each other not seeming too dark or light?

Position/Size: Does the tattoo seem to be the right size for the area; is it centered and lined up? Does it go with the flow of the body?

Over all composition:   What is your final feeling good or bad about the tattoo can it be improved or it a lost cause. How is the end result now that you have taken the piece apart?

This is what should be considered when critiquing a tattoo. If all of these are considered you can tell weather or not they succeeded. Take into consideration of subject matter and disregard that. Just because you hate skulls and butterflies doesn’t make it a bad tattoo.




--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
3 Pages V   1 2 3 >  
Start new topic
Replies (1 - 19)
Gweger
post Jun 13 2007, 01:28 AM
Post #2



Pin Cushion
***

Group: Full Member
Posts: 182
Joined: 27-March 07
From: Canada
Member No.: 84


Excellent Post Mark !!!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Blackwidow
post Jun 13 2007, 03:13 AM
Post #3



Ink Slinger
*****

Group: Full Member
Posts: 3,415
Joined: 8-May 07
From: south uk
Member No.: 159


**applauds** that is after all why we post our works!!  ;D


--------------------
Facebook me ... blackwidow footie/myspace me ... bwidow2001
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
DOGMA801
post Jun 13 2007, 06:38 AM
Post #4



Pin Cushion
***

Group: Full Member
Posts: 318
Joined: 8-March 07
From: New Mexico
Member No.: 38


no shit right?!!


--------------------
im having illusions all this confusions driving me mad inside, im having illusions all this confusions fucking me up in my mind!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
crotalus258
post Jun 13 2007, 09:26 AM
Post #5



Pin Cushion
***

Group: Full Member
Posts: 397
Joined: 27-May 07
From: Florida
Member No.: 225


I have to agree with Mark.  Saying "I like it" or "good job" may make an individual feel good but does absolutely nothing to help them improve their work.  I would rather someone point out areas that need improving so I can make changes in my way of doing things so I don' *uck it up on the next tattoo.  Granted, most of the time its just a lack of practice or time needed to perfect one's style, but sometimes a person is going about it totally the wrong way and needs to be redirected.

Might want to consider renaming this forum to "Critique my work" or something along those lines or creating a whole new forum altogether just for critiqueing.

Another thought..... what if only "experienced" members do the critiqueing instead of the folks just learning this stuff.


Enough out of me......

Terry
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
b10nary
post Jun 13 2007, 10:06 AM
Post #6



Needle Prick
**

Group: Full Member
Posts: 95
Joined: 4-May 07
From: Louisiana
Member No.: 151


Great information for everyone Mark!  When I see the tatoo's posted the first thing I look at is the linework, after that I just analyze the whole thing for holidays and other things.  I think this would help people by telling them what they should improve on by pointing out key specifics.  Great post!


--------------------
"Life is 90 percent perception, 10 percent reality"
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Alvin
post Jun 13 2007, 10:02 PM
Post #7



Ink Slinger
*****

Group: Full Member
Posts: 1,513
Joined: 28-May 07
From: Channel Islands, GB
Member No.: 228


I can see what you're saying, but I'm not entirely sure I totally agree.

I've been a manager at work for a few years now & I know from experience that criticism can be very demoralising.

For example if I gave an appraisal to one of my staff & spent an hour telling them how great they were doing, but them mentioned a couple of poor aspects of their work that need improving. The only thing they remember from the appraisal would be the criticism & you can just see the heads drop.

Secondly writing criticism is very difficult to do as it can be misconstrued very easily.

However, giving a "you're doing a great job, guys" every now and again is great for morale.

With that said, of course, constructive criticism is very helpful. Saying "good work, but you need to work on your outlining or shading" is all very well, but explaining how to improve on your outlining or shading would be far more insightful.

I also totally agree that if someone posts a new tattoo & it has shaky lines, poor fill etc, 20 "thumbs up" remarks is no good for the artist at all.

Anyway's that's my 2 cents wroth.


--------------------
"In this truck is a man whose latent genius, if unleashed, would rock the nation, whose dynamic energy would overpower those around him. Better let him sleep?"
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
b10nary
post Jun 14 2007, 09:04 AM
Post #8



Needle Prick
**

Group: Full Member
Posts: 95
Joined: 4-May 07
From: Louisiana
Member No.: 151


Well hell sometime the truth hurts, and I don't mind, especially when someone gives me pointers to do better next time!  But I know not everyone is acceptable to criticism, so I can understand where your coming from. 


--------------------
"Life is 90 percent perception, 10 percent reality"
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
shortyrock
post Jun 14 2007, 09:21 AM
Post #9



Human Billboard
****

Group: Full Member
Posts: 931
Joined: 19-May 07
From: cornwall ontario
Member No.: 199


k alvin i agree with you . however when dealing with a medium so closely judged by people . everything needs to be perfect.

alvin what you shouldnt do with your staff is typically labled "the crap sandwich" start your talk with good . put some criticism in the middle , then finish off with the good.

example - hey hows it going how was the weekend... ive noticed- need to start putting the labels on the tps reports ,what you didnt get the memo.... anyways your doing a great job. i like the way you.really happy to have you as part of the team.... 

this isnt very effective you need to have a positive approach through the whole process.. the crap sandwitch works only in office evironments/grocerie or department stores.

but in tattooing , you need to be able to tell someone something looks bad or else theyll stop learning and get big headed. fuck being nice.


--------------------
"A man who works with his hands is a laborer; a man who works with his hands and his mind is a craftsman; but a man who works with his hands and his brain and his heart is an artist."
- ST.thomas aquines
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Guest_lefty_*
post Jun 22 2007, 10:49 AM
Post #10






Guests





As someone starting out...you really do want honest constructive criticism to build your skills.  I think if you gotta ask, you're really asking for somone to "see what I  see".  Again as  a newb, I see every little mistake I make...call it --the artists' eye.  John or Jane Q public off the street will generally tell you your tat looks great (especially if you did it on yourself) becuse aren't thinking of all the diomensions that make a great tattoo.  If it's the bomb...you'll feel it.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
J.J. Flash
post Jun 22 2007, 05:56 PM
Post #11



Ink Slinger
*****

Group: Moderator
Posts: 2,277
Joined: 3-March 07
Member No.: 1


Mark, nice job! I am hopeful we'll see some more constructive feedback on our work.


--------------------
Stay humble.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
mackrracker
post Jun 23 2007, 06:10 AM
Post #12



Pin Cushion
***

Group: Full Member
Posts: 306
Joined: 28-May 07
From: BoSToN MaSS.
Member No.: 232


makes sence.....
oh and make sure u extend ur pinky wen typin ;D


--------------------
Brian- aKa Mack :]
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Mario AKA mark
post Dec 18 2007, 01:27 PM
Post #13



Ink Slinger
*****

Group: Moderator
Posts: 3,322
Joined: 24-March 07
From: San Francisco
Member No.: 74


I dug this up because things are getting too soft again.


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Tattoonist_ink
post Dec 18 2007, 01:30 PM
Post #14



Pin Cushion
***

Group: Jr. Member
Posts: 292
Joined: 28-November 07
From: South Carolina
Member No.: 1,048


great....i didnt even know this was here.....good one mark


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
The Big Evil
post Dec 18 2007, 01:36 PM
Post #15



Pin Cushion
***

Group: Full Member
Posts: 315
Joined: 22-July 07
From: Texas
Member No.: 418


thanks Mark


--------------------
the big evil
my website
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Deputy Devilz
post Dec 18 2007, 01:45 PM
Post #16



Salty Old Sailor
******

Group: Moderator
Posts: 5,123
Joined: 22-August 07
From: North West, England
Member No.: 523


agreed...

critique is good when truthful, and fair, but not cutting and nasty....

allowance to make comment as long as its all of the above is definitely agreeable... and in no way mean.

sleep.gif


--------------------
..Damn it...

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
eric1972
post Dec 18 2007, 03:38 PM
Post #17



Ink Slinger
*****

Group: Full Member
Posts: 3,782
Joined: 29-June 07
From: phoenix arizona
Member No.: 346


i agree that an honest critique is a good thing but to often i'm seein artists at a very beginning level bein the harshest critics. and often without posting any of their own work to be scrutinized. i respect certain peoples opinions immensely (like mark,gettattoo,jabbardstown,joe blow, etc.....)because they are at a high level of expertise and keep it honest. its kind of laughable though to me when a rookie artist who isn't doin quality work tries to rip apart work of a higher level than they themselves are capable of. anyone is capable of havin an opinion. a critique should be done by someone with some degree of skill (or at least by someone who is themselves subject to their work bein picked apart). talk is cheap and everyone's a critic.......to that i say put up or shut up. i can't respect an opinion of an unaccomplished artist really. what are they basin their opinions on? just my two cents and i could be way off base here............mark does make a good point though especially if the critique is based on the outlined criteria. i guess i just feel that not everyone is qualified to critique (my opinion)

This post has been edited by tatboy69: Dec 18 2007, 03:43 PM
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Mario AKA mark
post Dec 18 2007, 03:43 PM
Post #18



Ink Slinger
*****

Group: Moderator
Posts: 3,322
Joined: 24-March 07
From: San Francisco
Member No.: 74


I do like the honest opinion of non artist for teh fact tattooa sre really for them and the brutal honest answers tend to help more but when you are in the buisness and being a dick with no proof that's when I get offended.


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
eric1972
post Dec 18 2007, 03:49 PM
Post #19



Ink Slinger
*****

Group: Full Member
Posts: 3,782
Joined: 29-June 07
From: phoenix arizona
Member No.: 346


QUOTE(mark @ Dec 18 2007, 04:43 PM) *
I do like the honest opinion of non artist for teh fact tattooa sre really for them and the brutal honest answers tend to help more but when you are in the buisness and being a dick with no proof that's when I get offended.

i agree. and i do try to be open to peoples opinions , but i hate the competitive b.s. especially comin from someone who hasn't subjected their own works to scrutiny or is just not very good.........ahhhhh hell with it..rip me apart. it just means i won't make the same mistakes next time.

This post has been edited by tatboy69: Dec 18 2007, 04:17 PM
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
J.J. Flash
post Dec 18 2007, 04:26 PM
Post #20



Ink Slinger
*****

Group: Moderator
Posts: 2,277
Joined: 3-March 07
Member No.: 1


I just think in an art like tattooing, which is permanent you should be judged against the best standards. Both in terms of artistic ability and execution. I loved it when Shorty gave me real feedback. Whether or not I agreed, I like hearing what others think I need work on.


--------------------
Stay humble.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

3 Pages V   1 2 3 >
Reply to this topicStart new topic

 

Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 10th March 2010 - 01:04 AM
Skin designed by IPB Forum Skins