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post May 5 2009, 01:11 AM
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I was looking for tattoo furniture about a year or two ago and I found this company called Tatsoul.
They make tattoo chairs that change into any position so no more need for a chair and a massage table; you get it all with one piece of furniture.
These are the chairs used on Miami ink. I go by there and drool every once in a while until I can get my own.

A few months back when I was on their site and I saw that they had a new type of tattoo needle coming out called the Spearmen Envy Needles.
Basically a new type of long tapered needle. Two weeks ago a rep from Tatsoul contacted me from my site and asked if I would like a sample.

Funny thing is my buddy a fellow artist and I were talking about these needles so I jumped at the offer. The needles arrived in a few days.
They sent me a combat kit of the most common groupings I use, 3-7 liners and 7 and 9 mag.

When I opened the package I have to say I was impressed.
The finish alone on these compared to my standard needles was amazing and I hadn't even taken them out of the blister pack yet.
The needles are the cleanest construction I have ever seen.

Along with trying different premade needle brands along my career. I have made my own mags and liners for years.
It takes a while to get them to look nice and these are better then anything I have ever made and I thought I was good.

Artists have to try different brands and needle types to see what best fits their style.
Long tapers are good for fine stuff but they tend to flex a lot making you work harder to get ink in and do straight lines,
something that you newer guys know about. Bullet tips are great for color packing like American traditional style but not good for small stuff or the powdery gradients. I found myself gravitating toward a standard taper number twelve a multi purpose needle.

Others may disagree with me on how these needles are used but this is what I have gathered from trying different stuff over the years.
It's all about personal preference and experience.

So the first tattoo I have done with these is some of my standard gray wash. I have to say these are some of the best needles I have ever used.
I want to say best but I haven't done enough work with them to determine yet.

The difference I noticed was that the needles are super stiff. That is great especially for a long tapered needle.
Less flex and curling means that the ink is going to go in easier. Up close I could see that the needles made smoother gradients.
I can tell though that even though it's a long taper that these would also be good for solid color fill. The ink went in really easy and filed areas effortlessly.

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The ink flow is amazing. The finish is more then cosmetic. The needles have some of the cleanest soldering I have seen.
The smoother the soldering the better the ink flow; this also prevents splatter, ink from staying in the tube and needle jump in the tip.
It had a nice flow from needle to skin like writing with a pen.

On their large mags above a 15 grouping the needles are back cut at an angle. I imagine this is for reduction of extra weight on the needle bar.
It may not seem like much but reducing reciprocating mass on a small level can help your machine run better.
By not having extra weight it can run at lower volts. Kind of like balancing an engine. You can tell the difference between a 7 mag and running an 11 mag in some machines. They just have trouble running bigger groupings.

Their needles are a little more expensive by about a dollar more average per box then other premades out there but I think if it's a quality product it's worth it.

I would recommend trying these out on your next needle purchase. After talking on the phone with their rep Billy I have to say I like them even more.
Good customer service is hard to find and Billy was more then willing to talk about the needles with me and answer any questions I had.

Feel free to hit Billy up and he'll answer any questions about the needles. You can mention that you heard about the needles here from me on the forum.
If you decide to order they have a promo code you can use that's good for the whole year
”LAUNCH2009”

They ship to the UK and Europe. I asked about AU members and he said if anyone that knows of a good AU distributor let me know because they would be willing to ship to Australia and New Zealand. So you down under guys aren't left out.

If anybody has tried these so far talk about what you think good or bad.
I think it's a good product and I know a lot of you new guys on here are always wanting to see what are the best products to use.

I'm going to give more feed back on what I think the more work I do with them.
I have finished some larger work with the new needles and have done some medium sized stuff so far but nothing huge and just with these needles.

I am going to place an order this week and let you guys know how it goes over the next month.


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post May 8 2009, 01:28 AM
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If it were a shit product I wouldn't be talking about it. They were nice enough to throw me some samples and talk with me about it so I thought I would share. I've tried talking to other companies about their new products and I was lucky to get a responce to my e-mail. I still haven't gotten any replies about Alla Prima yet.


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post May 8 2009, 01:32 AM
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QUOTE (Mario AKA mark @ May 8 2009, 02:28 AM) *
If it were a shit product I wouldn't be talking about it. They were nice enough to throw me some samples and talk with me about it so I thought I would share. I've tried talking to other companies about their new products and I was lucky to get a responce to my e-mail. I still haven't gotten any replies about Alla Prima yet.



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post May 9 2009, 12:03 AM
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remarks like these is why I don't return your calls.


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post May 9 2009, 02:11 AM
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Have you compared the 5rl and the extra tight 5rl's?
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post May 9 2009, 11:04 AM
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QUOTE (Grinning Buddha @ May 9 2009, 10:11 AM) *
Have you compared the 5rl and the extra tight 5rl's?

No i haven't and to be honest their 5's are really tight to begin with. I'll post a close up of their liners to show tonight


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post May 12 2009, 01:47 PM
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QUOTE (Grinning Buddha @ May 9 2009, 02:11 AM) *
Have you compared the 5rl and the extra tight 5rl's?


I have. i just got my sample order in from Tatsoul. 60 boxes or so.
First thing I gotta say is WOW. What an extremely clean finish on these needles.
So we pulled a few out for a closer inspection. Nice long taper. Bugger all flex. Very stiff. This is good for a long taper needle.
The liners are the best liners I have ever seen, and I have had needles from everywhere being a supplier.
The extra tight liners are unbelievable. Tight as all get out but perfectly made. And every needle is identical. Same solder lengths and amounts, same needle positioning in the groupings.
The shaders look like they will put colour in real easy. Nice spread on the groupings which is a bonus. There are a lot of needles out there that would pass as loose liners and not shaders.
The mags are where they come into their own. What a fantastic job they have done with these little beauties. Especially the curved mags. Perfection with every needle.

Something we did notice with them. The needle loops are opposite to any needle we have ever stocked. Thats no big deal, just funny to see this.
Anyway, overall, these would have to be the best needles we have ever seen. we are sending sheets of needles out to different studios over the week. Once studios get these needles I am tipping sales are gonna go through the roof.

To answer grinning buddha.........the extra tight 5's would pass as a 3 easily.



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post May 12 2009, 02:13 PM
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QUOTE (Oztatz @ May 12 2009, 05:47 PM) *
I have. i just got my sample order in from Tatsoul. 60 boxes or so.
First thing I gotta say is WOW. What an extremely clean finish on these needles.
So we pulled a few out for a closer inspection. Nice long taper. Bugger all flex. Very stiff. This is good for a long taper needle.
The liners are the best liners I have ever seen, and I have had needles from everywhere being a supplier.
The extra tight liners are unbelievable. Tight as all get out but perfectly made. And every needle is identical. Same solder lengths and amounts, same needle positioning in the groupings.
The shaders look like they will put colour in real easy. Nice spread on the groupings which is a bonus. There are a lot of needles out there that would pass as loose liners and not shaders.
The mags are where they come into their own. What a fantastic job they have done with these little beauties. Especially the curved mags. Perfection with every needle.

Something we did notice with them. The needle loops are opposite to any needle we have ever stocked. Thats no big deal, just funny to see this.
Anyway, overall, these would have to be the best needles we have ever seen. we are sending sheets of needles out to different studios over the week. Once studios get these needles I am tipping sales are gonna go through the roof.

To answer grinning buddha.........the extra tight 5's would pass as a 3 easily.


wouldnt a longer taper be better when it comes to a mag? jw cuz i ordered some mags from painful pleasures and they are #12 standard taper

just hope i can get smooth gradients and shades

painful pleasures also didnt have the bugpin mags that i ordered so they sent me some textured mags...a little disappointed but not really because i have been wanting to try out the textured mags
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post May 12 2009, 04:05 PM
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QUOTE (Himhimself @ May 12 2009, 02:13 PM) *
wouldnt a longer taper be better when it comes to a mag? jw cuz i ordered some mags from painful pleasures and they are #12 standard taper

just hope i can get smooth gradients and shades

painful pleasures also didnt have the bugpin mags that i ordered so they sent me some textured mags...a little disappointed but not really because i have been wanting to try out the textured mags


Their mags are awesome. get some and try em. trust me when I say you wont get better than these.


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post May 12 2009, 04:55 PM
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i definitely believe u...they look amazing! the solder is soooo smooth and consistent

Edit: but yeah...wouldnt a longer taper be better on a mag?

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post May 12 2009, 05:10 PM
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QUOTE (Himhimself @ May 13 2009, 12:55 AM) *
i definitely believe u...they look amazing! the solder is soooo smooth and consistent

Edit: but yeah...wouldnt a longer taper be better on a mag?

It's good for both. You get thinner tighter lines that look cleaner. Especially if you are doing contruction lines for portraits or fine detail. With these the long taper and the strong needle make clean lines easier to get in. Which means less likely to blow out or over work while lining. Newer guys hate threes because their wobbles show up. With these the 3's are stronger making it easier to line. So your hand is the only thing moving and not so much the needles walking in the tube.


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QUOTE (Oztatz @ May 12 2009, 04:47 PM) *
To answer grinning buddha.........the extra tight 5's would pass as a 3 easily.


Cheers mate that's exactly the info I was looking for!
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QUOTE (Oztatz @ May 12 2009, 10:47 PM) *
I have. i just got my sample order in from Tatsoul. 60 boxes or so.
First thing I gotta say is WOW. What an extremely clean finish on these needles.
So we pulled a few out for a closer inspection. Nice long taper. Bugger all flex. Very stiff. This is good for a long taper needle.
The liners are the best liners I have ever seen, and I have had needles from everywhere being a supplier.
The extra tight liners are unbelievable. Tight as all get out but perfectly made. And every needle is identical. Same solder lengths and amounts, same needle positioning in the groupings.
The shaders look like they will put colour in real easy. Nice spread on the groupings which is a bonus. There are a lot of needles out there that would pass as loose liners and not shaders.
The mags are where they come into their own. What a fantastic job they have done with these little beauties. Especially the curved mags. Perfection with every needle.

Something we did notice with them. The needle loops are opposite to any needle we have ever stocked. Thats no big deal, just funny to see this.
Anyway, overall, these would have to be the best needles we have ever seen. we are sending sheets of needles out to different studios over the week. Once studios get these needles I am tipping sales are gonna go through the roof.

To answer grinning buddha.........the extra tight 5's would pass as a 3 easily.

Have you tattooed with them yet. I can see huge differences between old needles and the new ones.


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post May 12 2009, 10:24 PM
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Have you used them yet?


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I used 3 and 5rl. Sweet as. Lovely groupings. Using mags tonight. What do ya mean mario by difference between old and new needles?


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post May 13 2009, 01:34 AM
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QUOTE (Oztatz @ May 13 2009, 08:45 AM) *
I used 3 and 5rl. Sweet as. Lovely groupings. Using mags tonight. What do ya mean mario by difference between old and new needles?

I mean old by the ones I was using before oppossed to the Envy's. You would agree that their liners are super tight and they aren't even the tight liners they are advertizing. Makes precise lining easier.


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The standard liners are tight groupings which is what a lot of my customers are looking for. The extra tights are tight as. Like the xt 5rl is easily a 3rl in lines but more solid as you would expect.


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Just ordered some samples. Can't wait to try them out smile.gif


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