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 Jun 13 2009, 10:10 PM
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There has been a literal flood of... well there's no other way to put it... Fucking Woeful work put up in recent days.
FFS people show some respect for the craft. If you can't draw, learn. and if you just can't wait to get the machines out, for your sake and everyone elses, bloodline instead of doing a tattoo that looks like it was done in crayon by a parkinson's patient. WTF is with people trying to freehand work? Even the best in the business use stencils, ever wonder why? ERASERS DON'T WORK ON SKIN! [/rant] -------------------- Left foot, Right foot. Repeat |
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Jun 13 2009, 10:37 PM
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Amen...i threw my hildebrants back in the box until........my sketching is somewhat par........dont want to bastardize this trade.
-------------------- [color="#FF0000"][/color][size="5"][/size]It takes a bunch of nails to build a crib ....but only one screw to fill it!
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Jun 13 2009, 10:47 PM
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Well said Wokka
 -------------------- If at first you don't succeed ......... maybe skydiving is not for you.
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Jun 13 2009, 11:04 PM
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but isnt that what its about posting work that needs critique?? so as to improve.
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Jun 13 2009, 11:11 PM
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QUOTE (xman @ Jun 14 2009, 07:04 PM)  but isnt that what its about posting work that needs critique?? so as to improve. just seems to be a worrying trend of work posted up that shows obvious lack of artistic talent, thats when you have to ask the question why are you here? -------------------- The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be when you kill them. |
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Jun 13 2009, 11:13 PM
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QUOTE (xman @ Jun 14 2009, 05:04 PM) but isnt that what its about posting work that needs critique?? so as to improve. There's a major difference between a piece that has a blow out or two or some shakey lines and designs that should never have seen skin in the first place. People who have taken the time to improve their drawing skills, learn the craft and improve themselves with each piece have my utmost respect Fly by night cowboys who ink for the fuck of it, without regard for design, aesthetics, or safe work practices are the ones who get my back up -------------------- Left foot, Right foot. Repeat |
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Jun 13 2009, 11:58 PM
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QUOTE (wokkawokkawokka @ Jun 14 2009, 05:13 PM) There's a major difference between a piece that has a blow out or two or some shakey lines and designs that should never have seen skin in the first place. People who have taken the time to improve their drawing skills, learn the craft and improve themselves with each piece have my utmost respect Fly by night cowboys who ink for the fuck of it, without regard for design, aesthetics, or safe work practices are the ones who get my back up point taken sorry i thought you were talking about ppl's drawing skills in the art and contest sections |
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Jun 14 2009, 12:10 AM
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I couldn't agree more. Most of my replies on this forum are along the lines of "you're not ready to tattoo yet, put your machines down and learn first". People should know the fundamentals of putting a clean line and doing solid fill BEFORE they pick their machines up. Some of the simple questions that get asked by people AFTER they've done a tattoo or sometimes several show that the first thing they have done is try to tattoo. Without trying to learn anything. People are wrecking other people's skin for fun. If you've done things properly (or as properly as you can without an apprenticeship) your first tattoo should be relatively ok. Yeah it's not gonna be great but it shouldn't look like a birth mark gone wrong either. Patience people!
-------------------- Success comes before work, only in the dictionary.
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Jun 14 2009, 04:13 AM
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Amen..
-------------------- We are all laying in the gutter but some of us are looking for spare change...
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Nov 9 2009, 04:51 AM
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bump!!!!
take notice!!! |
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Nov 9 2009, 06:20 AM
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really bret?
we still havent seen any of your work when 10s of people called u out ... i def agree with this thread but please stop posting usless shit -------------------- www.inkedbythenerd.com swallowsndaggers tattoo forum Swallows and Daggers Support The Traditional Movement Tattoo Artist, Painter, Asshole and Machine Collector |
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Nov 9 2009, 08:09 AM
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yeah! its amazing how many people think because they can draw a heart that they should be tattooing. i have always been a good artist and I still get down on myself, i dont know how these people with no drawing skills can actually look at them selves in the mirrior and say: "I'm going to be a great tattoo artist" if you cant do that, then whats the point? do you really wanna be known as a guy that tattoos crappy or mediocre tattoos? oh well hopefully these people will be weeded out and stop giving actual artists a bad name.
-------------------- I haven't failed, I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work.[http://www.facebook.com/p/Marc_Chislett/623005117
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Nov 9 2009, 10:02 AM
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I rarely see all these things being said "to the faces" of people.
Can't believe I'm saying this, but is it possible that the criticism given here is still too tactful sometimes? There's such emphasis on formulating great constructive criticisms, and not just saying outright "that's shit and you still can't draw well enough to be doing this on skin, so stop tattooing other people right now" - but in the cases of the un-named people we're all bitching about, maybe that would actually be constructive criticism. Don't get me wrong - the very first thing that struck me as so awesome about this site was the amazing mature helpful advice and patience shown to people of all artistic levels. I still don't feel it's my place or that I've proved myself enough to go around tearing people a new one yet, but sometimes I find myself wondering if people have serious sight defects, or major delusional ego issues, because of the poor reference art they're using. A few times now I've seen tattoos on here which provoke people to ask so see the reference art - at which point it's clear that technically the tattoo is perfect, just the art was shoddy, but the artist in question doesn't seem to realise this. When you've been working on a design for a while, it's very easy to lose all your ability to look at it objectively. Sometimes putting it away for a couple of days then checking it again, or holding it up in the mirror to see it in reverse are enough to freshen your eyes up and reveal the faults, but the wide selection of experienced eyes on this site are a valuable resource and "shit filter" that should be used too. Sometimes there's a claim that they posted the art a few weeks back for crit and everything seemed ok...maybe I miss these initial posts because the tattoo is usually the first I've seen of the image. I'm not sure what to suggest... apart from always posting up the art for crit, and typing in big letters "I PLAN TO PUT THIS ON SOMEONE'S SKIN NEXT WEEK" so that it's taken seriously and we don't miss it. Perhaps there should be a specific section for this purpose so it doesn't get overlooked in the Art Class. It's pretty important...  You know? |
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Nov 9 2009, 10:28 AM
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^ i agree people just bullshit and beat around the bush .. i get to the point if it is bad i say it ... i also say why and how its bad and sometimes if i get the right attitube back i will tell em how to fix it ... i just feel people being too soft encourage people to just try try again .. when really they shouldnt be trying until thier arts perfect ...
anyways i think people are too soft on the new people or whatever not wanting them to shy away from the forum or whatever .. the last tattoo i posted i got great praise and all but the 1 beofr i was told anything and everything ... why because i do that to other people and guess what i took it and rolled with the punches ... if u cant take something like that u really have no buisness tattooing ... i think people should imagine every tattoo posted is by me .. that way u can just rip it to pieces .. if the person posting dose not like it they can fix thier own issues ... i dont wanna run people off the foorum by just saying " u suck, cut off your hands and die" but i think a good " thats a hoorrible tattoo ur lines are crooked and ur art needs real improvment" def is a ok think to say when needed -------------------- www.inkedbythenerd.com swallowsndaggers tattoo forum Swallows and Daggers Support The Traditional Movement Tattoo Artist, Painter, Asshole and Machine Collector |
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Nov 9 2009, 10:51 AM
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id rather ppl say that when i post work - rather than say the opposite and leave me thinking im better than i should be - when i get no replies i usually know its back to drawing board - so yeah feel free to be harsh on my stuff - that helps more -
-------------------- Expecting the world to treat you fairly because you are good is like expecting the bull not to charge because you are a vegetarian
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Nov 9 2009, 11:00 AM
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Sometimes I'm not sure what to say when I don't think a piece of work is very good. If I don't feel able to clearly articulate solutions to the problems I see, then I feel like I'm not supposed to say anything. If, for example, someone has posted a badly drawn cat, the answer in my head might be something like "It's a badly drawn cat, that's the problem with it. You need to go away and make it look like a cat", or more often "How can you not see that this simply does not look enough like a cat?!" There's a limit to how polite or constructive one can be sometimes.
But when it comes down to simply making sure certain things are kept off skin, surely we should feel able to at least make that explicitly clear, regardless of whether we know how to fix the design? Someone with no artistic skill or knowledge who just has eyes can recognise poor art to some extent, and the enforced humbleness shouldn't make them afraid to speak up and say something when what we're talking about is permanent marks on people's bodies. |
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Nov 9 2009, 11:03 AM
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On another tangent....is it not productive for prospects,after absorbing the basics,to try and run a line and shade a little on pigskin to highlight to themselves that its not as easy as it looks...to present their pigskin work for analysis so they have a cogent reason for them to put the machines down and get some more groundwork in,a reason other than "cos the forum said so"?
-------------------- GENTLEMAN LOSER -- INTERNATIONAL SLUM DOG -- ON A FARM
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Nov 9 2009, 11:15 AM
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QUOTE (shocker @ Nov 9 2009, 08:03 PM) On another tangent....is it not productive for prospects,after absorbing the basics,to try and run a line and shade a little on pigskin to highlight to themselves that its not as easy as it looks...to present their pigskin work for analysis so they have a cogent reason for them to put the machines down and get some more groundwork in,a reason other than "cos the forum said so"? That too
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Nov 9 2009, 02:16 PM
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i don't tattoo flesh yet and i have been practicing for over a year on piggy and fake skin and learnin bout machines,but i had anutha dude gimme shit cus i don't even tattoo yet,i saw his work and runs a shop but it was really piss poor,and eventually after bein nice bout it and not giving negative critiques on his work i finally fessed up and told him how i really felt bout his work,but seein that i'm taking my time to learn and not hit flesh til i'm ready i'm not taken as seriously as someone experienced in doing tattoos,but a dog is a dog,if it sucks screw bein nice,but tell them,otherwise they'll think they rock,i been drawing since a very young age,illustrating,did some 3-d wireframe and solid modeling classes and cad-cam,oil paint and airbrush,did portraits from a very young age and tricked out motorcycles and helmets,learned to photoretouch by hand and with airbrush,and murals way back when,this is way more difficult than any other facet of drawing or art than anything else i've ever done and to see someone else just pick-up a machine who can't take the time to improve their drawing skills,well it just sucks,i'll keep waiting and practicing till my time comes,but i don't picture many bein as patient,hopefully i'm wrong
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Nov 10 2009, 10:56 AM
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I had this comedy skit in mind for a while: A guy goes in to a Tattoo parlor for a job as an artist and the manager asks him to see his book and shit and the guy takes out the book and hes got like pictures of peoples arms and legs with stick figures drawn on them with a blue pen, like 2 stick figures holding hands "Did that one for a couple, they loved it, took 2 sessions" and he's dead serious about it too. Its all stick figures, the whole book, stick figures with fire behind them, stick figure fish, stick figure holding pitch forks. Then the manager looks closer and he can see that its the same arm and leg through out the whole book and u can see pen smudges where the previous drawing was erased. Then the guy pulls up his sleeve and he has a stick figure with a squigly line drawn around it , thats supposed to be a snake or something, on his forearm, and the words Born to Rock, but all that shit is pointing up toward the body, instead of down to the wrist. "Did this one this morning on the train before I came in, didnt even use a mirror" and hes got lipstick smudges around it to make it seem like its still red.
Then we see this guy fly out the front door and onto the pavement, his tattoo book is flying right behind him and ofcourse hits him on the head Anyone know any tv producers? -------------------- |
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