Shop Class, equipment, business, etc; |
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 Apr 8 2008, 10:28 AM
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I know in the Aprrentice Corner there is an equipment section, but it is more general and has more questions about whats good equipment than how to tune and fix equipment. I thought it'd be really helpful if there was a specific Shop Class where those who are in the know explain how to jig needles, take apart and tune machines, explain the theories of tattoo mechanics and how power supllies work, soldering, the list goes on and on and i think it'd be really helpful in the tattoo journey we are all taking to becoming professionals. Also what could be included (but don't feel as necessary as the shop class) could be a business section, discussing the basis of tattoo business and basics of pricing, etc;. But having the Shop Class i feel would be highly benefical, and would take the bits and pieces that are in the Q&A section and organize them from the quality questions that are mainly there. Just thought it'd be a good idea, let me know.
-------------------- Art Completes What Nature Cannot Finish
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Apr 8 2008, 10:50 AM
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i think it would be a great addition to what is alreay a fantastic forum.....maybe a list of general tools such as allen wrench(hex) also a small file set or maybe emory cloth
and maybe some definitions of terms such as tinning.....ect.... -------------------- toxic martin has spoken
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Apr 8 2008, 11:40 AM
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sounds like a good idea to me, and the running a shop section would be good how to price tattoo's, when to charge by the hour, basic neccesaties (sp) kinda like a guide to running a shop.
The only problem i can see is all the haters comin on and saying: oh great so now not only are they teaching themselves but they're now advising on how to run shop. But the comeback to that could be the same as why this forum exists: to assist those who will go and do it anyway on how to do it safely and properly. so if not a new section then maybe a written guide with some usefull links, that people can add to and correct any misinformation. |
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Apr 8 2008, 03:14 PM
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I think that the machine tuning would fall under the Q&A: Equipment section. Also, I am not sure I want the how-to's of running a shop on a forum that is open to non-professionals. Realistically, more than anything else if you want to learn how a shop is run you should work in someone else's. Otherwise, you don't have much business opening one of your own. As for pricing/hour, it all depends on your location. It can range greatly depending on the demographic you are serving. Again, something that a person without shop experience should not be learning from an anonymous forum environment.
I appreciate the feedback, but I think that you really need to work in an existing shop BEFORE even dreaming of opening your own. -------------------- Stay humble.
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Apr 8 2008, 04:29 PM
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agreed with Jsun... another thing you can't get without first hand experience is customer service skills. Chef Ink had another thread about all the other shop type things...
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Apr 8 2008, 05:34 PM
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QUOTE (martinmdaddy3 @ Apr 9 2008, 04:50 AM)  i think it would be a great addition to what is alreay a fantastic forum.....maybe a list of general tools such as allen wrench(hex) also a small file set or maybe emory cloth and maybe some definitions of terms such as tinning.....ect.... second that..... more sections..... more defined sections in the forum will attract more participation.... instead of how it is now... where most people have to wait a while till someone posts up something they can help with... 
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Apr 8 2008, 07:58 PM
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as JSUN said, yeah the equipment and tuning would go under Q&A, but the thing i noticed with that is that it is there already there just spattered amidst all the opinions of the different types of eqiupments themselves (as opposed to the service of those equipments). All i'm suggesting is a possible sub-forum of the Q&A for these topics specifically, because i believe they have such an importance they should be held at least apart (if not above) which type of machine would be better with an $80 budget. And i tried stating in the start of the topic that the business part be kindof a side thing cuz i understand that the different zonings, regulations, and etiquette needed is different in every place and can't be substituted by an impersonal forum. I was thinking more of shop set-up for efficiency, how to decide on pricing in correlation with tattoo (how to know whether to charge by hour, by inch, etc;), but nothing so indepth about how to maintain books and taxes etc; Mainly i just think a Shop Section would be killer, but you da boss.
-------------------- Art Completes What Nature Cannot Finish
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Apr 8 2008, 10:02 PM
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like fabrication not buisiness
-------------------- IMACUNT!!!
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Apr 9 2008, 01:16 AM
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QUOTE (RCVisual @ Apr 9 2008, 04:58 AM) I was thinking more of shop set-up for efficiency, how to decide on pricing in correlation with tattoo (how to know whether to charge by hour, by inch, etc;), but nothing so indepth about how to maintain books and taxes etc; Mainly i just think a Shop Section would be killer, but you da boss. my thoughts exactly, more of this is what you'll need for a shop rather than this is how to run a shop. and the how to section being more how to, than wtf??? kinda like a recommended budget kit, semi-pro kit all out kit, and then how to change springs,caps,coils ect in defined sections rather than having newbies posting how do i do this or that because they haven't gone back through the last 1000 posts. it can be looked up straight away in relevant sections like a manual, and then any questions asked can be done so in the Q&A apprentice corner. it doesn't even have to be seperate just an extra sub-section. |
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Apr 9 2008, 05:48 AM
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QUOTE (JSUN @ Apr 8 2008, 07:14 PM) I think that the machine tuning would fall under the Q&A: Equipment section. Also, I am not sure I want the how-to's of running a shop on a forum that is open to non-professionals. Realistically, more than anything else if you want to learn how a shop is run you should work in someone else's. Otherwise, you don't have much business opening one of your own. As for pricing/hour, it all depends on your location. It can range greatly depending on the demographic you are serving. Again, something that a person without shop experience should not be learning from an anonymous forum environment. I appreciate the feedback, but I think that you really need to work in an existing shop BEFORE even dreaming of opening your own. Spot on Jason, i couldnt agree more. There are some things that you cant learn second hand. I dont know how someone that has never worked in a shop could just go out nd open their own, theres alot of stuff you have to experience and see first hand to fully comprehend....for those things there is no substitute for shop experience. -------------------- "There’s a fine line between clever and stupid." - D. St. Hubbins
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Apr 9 2008, 07:39 AM
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i do agree that you can't open a shop without shop experience, but for those who are a bit argumentative it could be said: what did the first tattooist who was home taught (no apprenticing back then) decide ooohh i'll making money of this and open up their own shop. no experience there?? just a thought not meaning to cause arguments or harsh words. peace.
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Apr 9 2008, 08:57 AM
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QUOTE (jay1 @ Apr 9 2008, 04:16 AM) my thoughts exactly, more of this is what you'll need for a shop rather than this is how to run a shop. and the how to section being more how to, than wtf??? kinda like a recommended budget kit, semi-pro kit all out kit, and then how to change springs,caps,coils ect in defined sections rather than having newbies posting how do i do this or that because they haven't gone back through the last 1000 posts. it can be looked up straight away in relevant sections like a manual, and then any questions asked can be done so in the Q&A apprentice corner. it doesn't even have to be seperate just an extra sub-section. dont think i could have said it better for instance...what the hell are soldering lugs? what are they for? are they needed? -------------------- toxic martin has spoken
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Apr 9 2008, 04:33 PM
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This forum is open to all parties interested in learning, but I never wanted a step-by-step how to on tattooing. When I wanted to learn more about machine set-up, I was referred to the Eikon manual which is a GREAT reference on the subject. Or Machine Gun Magazine issues #6,7 (I think).
Those interested in learning still need to poke around and that's a good thing. It will cause those without dedication and will to abandon it, as it should. This board is by far the most resourceful on the web for those starting out. What more can be done? Should we provide Cliff Notes for those not willing to put the time into learning? It my opinion that we should not. If you want to write an informative post on machine part names and definitions, by all means PLEASE DO! Even ask a mod to pin the thread. I believe there is one already about tattoo machine set-up in "Most Requested Topics." Am I missing something here? -------------------- Stay humble.
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Apr 10 2008, 10:37 PM
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i can dig that
-------------------- Art Completes What Nature Cannot Finish
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