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 Nov 8 2009, 03:50 PM
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MIR, I love the imagery, don't know if
I'd wear the t shirt (the whole wannabe thing).. It's definitely a market though. I think you have come on here just to sell, but the future is unwritten & if you do hang around & share then your bare faced marketing can be forgiven... I only have one question, how are you paying the estate of Danzig Baldaev.?. The images that you are using are all copyrighted.. I'm sure you have done your homework but I have to ask for the sake of the forum & the liability issues we may have.. Thanks, Joe... -------------------- We are all laying in the gutter but some of us are looking for spare change...
Tragic Bio.. Joe Sleepy on MySpace Merchandise JoeSleepy on Zazzle.com |
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Nov 9 2009, 04:43 AM
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I know of someone that was beaten to within an inch of their life for wearing a Black label Society set of back patches purely because it contains a "top rocker" and "bottom rocker" and the only people allowed to wear "rockers" on their backs are members of a 1% MC. There are always exceptions to the rule, for everything. Nice shirts though
-------------------- If at first you don't succeed ......... maybe skydiving is not for you.
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Nov 9 2009, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE (ElDubya @ Nov 9 2009, 08:43 AM)  I know of someone that was beaten to within an inch of their life for wearing a Black label Society set of back patches purely because it contains a "top rocker" and "bottom rocker" and the only people allowed to wear "rockers" on their backs are members of a 1% MC. There are always exceptions to the rule, for everything. Nice shirts though Thanx. Well those images u talk about are still widely used and denote status. The images on the shirts do not. As long as u stay out of a Russian prison, you'll be ok. Then again if u are in prison u got more than a t-shirt to worry about. -------------------- |
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Nov 9 2009, 10:47 AM
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QUOTE (Joe Sleepy @ Nov 8 2009, 07:50 PM) MIR, I love the imagery, don't know if I'd wear the t shirt (the whole wannabe thing).. It's definitely a market though. I think you have come on here just to sell, but the future is unwritten & if you do hang around & share then your bare faced marketing can be forgiven... I only have one question, how are you paying the estate of Danzig Baldaev.?. The images that you are using are all copyrighted.. I'm sure you have done your homework but I have to ask for the sake of the forum & the liability issues we may have.. Thanks, Joe... Well, thats the thought I always had when the idea came up. The wanna be russian mafia or the gangsta factor of the designs and all that. Thats why I tried to not make the shirts as a tattoo shirt, e.g. a shirt covered in different russian criminal tattoos relative to the part of the body where it would be placed. Rather i wanted 1 tattoo to be the center piece of the shirt, a sort of representation of that art and culture. As opposed to a shirt covered with tattoos like a real "Zeks" body would be, u know? I dont think its a wanna be thing, it all depends on the reason why YOU are wearing the shirt and what it means to you. You seem to know what youre talking about so i dont think u will be wearing it as wannabe thing. And as for what others think, Fuck em. Thats actually part of the meaning behind every tattoo. To do things your own way and not care about "The Norm". -------------------- |
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Nov 9 2009, 11:09 AM
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I only have one question, how are you
paying the estate of Danzig Baldaev.?. The images that you are using are all copyrighted.. I'm sure you have done your homework but I have to ask for the sake of the forum & the liability issues we may have.. -------------------- We are all laying in the gutter but some of us are looking for spare change...
Tragic Bio.. Joe Sleepy on MySpace Merchandise JoeSleepy on Zazzle.com |
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Nov 9 2009, 03:10 PM
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You know,thats the first thing that I thought....copyright...liability....nice shirts though.Just dont land the forum in a world of shit if theres legal issues!
-------------------- GENTLEMAN LOSER -- INTERNATIONAL SLUM DOG -- ON A FARM
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Nov 9 2009, 05:16 PM
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QUOTE (shocker @ Nov 9 2009, 06:10 PM) You know,thats the first thing that I thought....copyright...liability....nice shirts though.Just dont land the forum in a world of shit if theres legal issues! wow, u too? what is wrong with u guys? This forum does not endorse my shirts which are not infringing on any copyrights because 1. All designs were drawn by me. 2. Its folk art, u cant copyright it. It was copied of peoples bodies. If its infringing on anyones rights its the artists, that drew the tattoo. Or the person wearing it. Baldaev did what he did and brought this to pop-culture, I think it may have been a good thing, I mean to show the world this art and these beliefs and laws that these people lived by, but he was a cop and a lackey to the government and that should of been the last person profiting from that art and those people. And dont think that he was the only one keeping track and drawings, there was loads of these people that kept track of tattoos and laws of the thieves and criminals. Most of these people , calling themselves Criminal Scientists or whatever back in those days, looked upon the Zeks or cons with disgust and recorded as much about them as they could , just to help the authorities. I cant say about Baldaev, well, he was the authorities I guess. Maybe what I'm doing is wrong, maybe not. I know i'm not just doing it just for profit, cause there isnt any. -------------------- |
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Nov 9 2009, 06:24 PM
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well no profit yet right?
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Nov 9 2009, 06:36 PM
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QUOTE (jrf134 @ Nov 9 2009, 09:24 PM) well no profit yet right? I dont think this is something thats gonna make me super rich. I mean I didnt do it just for profit, this is something I'm connected to in a way.An art I support. I'm not stamping I love NY tshirts and selling them on the corner. Do people only become tattoo artists because they love to draw or does profit play a part in it. I hope there'll be profit. Why should only some publisher that has prob. never seen the inside of a prison profit from it...and a cops family, of all people. This post has been edited by MIR: Nov 9 2009, 06:37 PM -------------------- |
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Nov 9 2009, 06:52 PM
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when you started out tattooing did you mostly start for the love of tattooing or profit or both?and do ya tattoo these images on people?i don't knock ya for tryin to make money in it, cool designs and all,wouldn't wear anybodies insignias unless i was involved with em,just my opinion though others may have theirs that differ,and wouldn't knock anyone for doin something cus they believed in it,just not something i'm into is all
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Nov 9 2009, 08:20 PM
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QUOTE (jrf134 @ Nov 9 2009, 09:52 PM) when you started out tattooing did you mostly start for the love of tattooing or profit or both?and do ya tattoo these images on people?i don't knock ya for tryin to make money in it, cool designs and all,wouldn't wear anybodies insignias unless i was involved with em,just my opinion though others may have theirs that differ,and wouldn't knock anyone for doin something cus they believed in it,just not something i'm into is all I'm not a tattoo artist. I would probably start for the love of the art and interest in it, a true tattoo artist probably would too. I would probably advise against tattooing Russian criminal tattoos to a regular joe, I mean out of respect to the people that did things to earn them that joe would never want to do. Theres people that see the books and get into it and want to get one of the tattoos cause it looks cool or because they think they have a connection with it. I would suggest to those people to buy a shirt instead=) As for insignias, they are not insignias, they're mostly just anti authority or humorous tattoos. Like take the "Man is Wolf" shirt, it has a tattoo of a wolf and the words "Man is Wolf" on top. Thats not anyones insignia or rank, it just stating the persons view on society. Theres really no isignias in Russian Criminal Tattoos, but rank and status tattoos rather, which I stayed away from. -------------------- |
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Nov 10 2009, 03:37 AM
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oh sorry, thought you were a tattoo artist.
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Nov 10 2009, 04:12 AM
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QUOTE (MIR @ Nov 10 2009, 02:16 AM) wow, u too? what is wrong with u guys? This forum does not endorse my shirts which are not infringing on any copyrights because 1. All designs were drawn by me. 2. Its folk art, u cant copyright it. It was copied of peoples bodies. If its infringing on anyones rights its the artists, that drew the tattoo. Or the person wearing it. Baldaev did what he did and brought this to pop-culture, I think it may have been a good thing, I mean to show the world this art and these beliefs and laws that these people lived by, but he was a cop and a lackey to the government and that should of been the last person profiting from that art and those people. And dont think that he was the only one keeping track and drawings, there was loads of these people that kept track of tattoos and laws of the thieves and criminals. Most of these people , calling themselves Criminal Scientists or whatever back in those days, looked upon the Zeks or cons with disgust and recorded as much about them as they could , just to help the authorities. I cant say about Baldaev, well, he was the authorities I guess. Maybe what I'm doing is wrong, maybe not. I know i'm not just doing it just for profit, cause there isnt any. What is up with "us guys"?Hmmmm,......maybe not wanting the forum closed down due to infringement of terms by service provider?Maybe?So,please,forgive me having the temerity to question you.They are nice shirts though. This post has been edited by shocker: Nov 10 2009, 04:14 AM -------------------- GENTLEMAN LOSER -- INTERNATIONAL SLUM DOG -- ON A FARM
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Nov 10 2009, 08:14 AM
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I smell bullshit! No profit huh? So you’re trying to tell us you’re selling a shirt for $20.00 with no profit or a hooded sweater for $50.00? I suggest you find another supplier for your clothes then, you’re getting ripped off lol. Come on break it down to us on how much it costs you for each item or just the t-shirts if you want. I realize you have more overhead than just the cost of the clothes and the screen print but to suggest your doing it for the love of prison art is just ridiculous. I really don't think anyone is fooled into believing you have any interest on this forum besides selling your merchandise. I'm curious to see just how many times you post to this thread to keep it up at the top. I'm not trying to hate on you, but at least be honest about your intentions. Maybe moving the thread into the flea market section would be more appropriate.
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Nov 10 2009, 08:20 AM
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QUOTE (shocker @ Nov 10 2009, 07:12 AM) What is up with "us guys"?Hmmmm,......maybe not wanting the forum closed down due to infringement of terms by service provider?Maybe?So,please,forgive me having the temerity to question you.They are nice shirts though. Thanx, means a lot. "You guys" cause u were the second to mention this, and I think youre making a big thing over bullshit. This is not the first place I posted the shirts on. It is the first tattoo forum. I thought people on here might be interested, and I though maybe we could have a discussion on the subject. Instead we're talking about shit that is ridicoulous. THIS FORUM DOES NOT ENDORSE MIR INC. OR RUSSIAN CRIMINAL TATTOO DESIGNS. THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. SOME MEMBERS DO LIKE THEM THOUGH =) I didn't just start this line, i been doing it for a little while. The shirts are all over the net. -------------------- |
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Nov 10 2009, 08:42 AM
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QUOTE (jabardstown @ Nov 10 2009, 11:14 AM) I smell bullshit! No profit huh? So you’re trying to tell us you’re selling a shirt for $20.00 with no profit or a hooded sweater for $50.00? I suggest you find another supplier for your clothes then, you’re getting ripped off lol. Come on break it down to us on how much it costs you for each item or just the t-shirts if you want. I realize you have more overhead than just the cost of the clothes and the screen print but to suggest your doing it for the love of prison art is just ridiculous. I really don't think anyone is fooled into believing you have any interest on this forum besides selling your merchandise. I'm curious to see just how many times you post to this thread to keep it up at the top. I'm not trying to hate on you, but at least be honest about your intentions. Maybe moving the thread into the flea market section would be more appropriate. What do you all think? It must be your upper lip that u smell. What did I say? Did I say I'm doing it just for the love of the art? Your reading comprehension is very poor. Any business that you do is ultimately done for profit no? But then theres business and things that people have a deep connection with, like tattooing for instance, u do it because u like this form of art and that what youre into and u want to show your art to others and see them wearing it, but u also do it to try to earn money for yourself, am I wrong? Of course i want this line to be succesful, but like i said I could of started printing "I love NY" t shirts, that in my view, is doing something for pure profit. Keep commenting, i will keep replying, this is my baby, and you're shitting on it, and I will defend it. Maybe someone up there in your forum sees where i'm coming from and hasnt deleted this thread yet, maybe they havent got around to it, whatever, theres no such thing as bad PR, I thank them anyways. If u were Russian and came where i came from, u would prob. understand my view on this. I have explained it a few times in this thread. I guess u didnt catch it. -------------------- |
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Nov 10 2009, 09:27 AM
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This thread is weird.
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Nov 10 2009, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE (MIR @ Nov 10 2009, 12:42 PM) It must be your upper lip that u smell. What did I say? Did I say I'm doing it just for the love of the art? Your reading comprehension is very poor. Any business that you do is ultimately done for profit no? But then theres business and things that people have a deep connection with, like tattooing for instance, u do it because u like this form of art and that what youre into and u want to show your art to others and see them wearing it, but u also do it to try to earn money for yourself, am I wrong? Of course i want this line to be succesful, but like i said I could of started printing "I love NY" t shirts, that in my view, is doing something for pure profit. Keep commenting, i will keep replying, this is my baby, and you're shitting on it, and I will defend it. Maybe someone up there in your forum sees where i'm coming from and hasnt deleted this thread yet, maybe they havent got around to it, whatever, theres no such thing as bad PR, I thank them anyways. If u were Russian and came where i came from, u would prob. understand my view on this. I have explained it a few times in this thread. I guess u didnt catch it. Ahh, I remember when I was back in high school too! I'm not shitting on your baby I'm calling it like I see it plain and simple. I don't have a problem with the thread, the subject, or you for that matter. It doesn’t affect me one way or the other. I don't know you or want to get to know you and I don't care one way or the other what you think of me. If you want to sell t-shirts with a big cock on them I won't have a problem with it. It just bothers me that you obviously started the thread to drum up business and tried to disguise it as something else when it was taken down. To me that is bullshit; you’re selling a product plain and simple and pushing it through this thread. The fact that you may be passionate about your roots or the art and where it comes from is overshadowed by your pushing your product (maybe insert another video link in your reply to this). If you do work at a tattoo shop you may have something else to contribute to the forum, although I haven't seen it yet. Maybe you can point me to the thread. Since you’re not a tattoo artist it makes me wonder what it is you do and what you might contribute, again not that I really care I'm just curious. Not that you are required to contribute anything either. I'm not big on keyboard bullying, it's pointless, so I won't bother name calling. It is all just my opinion anyway, others like you may disagree. I do find the subject interesting I just wish it could be focused on the art and background instead of product placement. |
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