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Plz Help, Back Springs On Two Machines By Checkmate Keep Breaking |
 Aug 23 2009, 08:24 AM
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depends
how often is it being fucked with ? how hard is the machine being run ? what size is the rear spring gap? (proper cutback liners tend to pop first) virtually impossible to answer really theres too many variables lol |
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Aug 23 2009, 08:26 AM
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QUOTE (mark101 @ Aug 23 2009, 08:24 AM)  depends how often is it being fucked with ? how hard is the machine being run ? what size is the rear spring gap? (proper cutback liners tend to pop first) virtually impossible to answer really theres too many variables lol well i think your first answer is the one that makes em or breaks em 
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Aug 23 2009, 08:30 AM
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QUOTE (forgiven @ Aug 22 2009, 09:42 PM) i spoke to CM... heres the deal.. ive had a few issuses lately ..very strange ..all at once within 2 weeks.. same with Bubba S. and it turns out CM too.. all within the past 2 weeks ive had 5 springs snap with in the past 4 days on my personal machines ..Bubba has had issues also on his personal machines . now i dont use deck plates ..personal or otherwise. ive done the same as i have for years ..ive been doing this for awhile ... i use mainly eikon but also : Joey D Aaron C springs .. so i would bet a large sum of $$that it is the quality of the spring stock..id aklso wager that you'll be hearing more of this from other builders soon. A. Funny you should say that as my new cain machine snapped its back spring after 1/2 hour's use. I sent it back for him to fuck with it as quiet simply I don't feel I should have too. He's been very cool about it as when it turned up with him it was wet and rusted to fuck! (it was packaged up in 2 boxes and a plastic bag) but he's rebuilding it from scratch. |
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 Aug 23 2009, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE (emcee2 @ Aug 23 2009, 02:54 AM) yeah, i just dont think i should have to respring a machine 3x a week. i literally had to re spring one of my daily drivers 5 times since tuesday . |
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Aug 23 2009, 01:14 PM
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thats such a pain in the ass, im thinking of switching to pneumatics or stigmas maybe that'll solve the problem. Its just such a pain in the ass when your best running machine breaks every couple days and when you run out of parts your left tattooing with one of your sub par machines.
-------------------- I haven't failed, I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work.[http://www.facebook.com/p/Marc_Chislett/623005117
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Aug 23 2009, 03:08 PM
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I think I need to make that time to learn how to cut and roll my own springs. Sounds like a really good skill to acquire.
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Aug 23 2009, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE (J.D. @ Aug 23 2009, 08:08 PM) I think I need to make that time to learn how to cut and roll my own springs. Sounds like a really good skill to acquire. simple shit man anyone with a pair of snips & a lil sense can do it -------------------- im pretty much done on this forum, you can reach me thru my website
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Aug 23 2009, 03:30 PM
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QUOTE (MARKT4LYF @ Aug 23 2009, 04:11 PM) simple shit man anyone with a pair of snips & a lil sense can do it We've had this conversation before. Easy for you, but not for a man with two left thumbs and can't even be trusted with safely carving the family turkey. I stabbed my hand straight through once, opening an avocado for fucks sake. 
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Aug 23 2009, 07:28 PM
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QUOTE (J.D. @ Aug 23 2009, 07:30 PM) We've had this conversation before. Easy for you, but not for a man with two left thumbs and can't even be trusted with safely carving the family turkey. I stabbed my hand straight through once, opening an avocado for fucks sake. i cut my thumb making my springs...  it was a good learning experience tho
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Aug 23 2009, 07:48 PM
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QUOTE (dRock13 @ Aug 23 2009, 11:28 PM) i cut my thumb making my springs... it was a good learning experience thohold your spring stock with pliers while making your cuts 
-------------------- im pretty much done on this forum, you can reach me thru my website
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Aug 23 2009, 10:22 PM
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QUOTE (emcee2 @ Aug 23 2009, 04:37 AM) yeah, hopefully, and bubba, i have two other machines that i use daily that ive never had to replace anything on for the past two years. i have more checkmate machines than anyone, I have had one spring break. Maybe id switch to my other machines and try a different spring set up. With all the springs breaking, it dosent take a fucking rocket scientist to figure this one out, bad stock. Not all the machines are PF either. I know checkmate, and he will take care of it. His machines are top notch |
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Aug 24 2009, 01:45 AM
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If the square saddle was not filed down on the under side it could be to blame..
Though it is possible that poor quality spring stock is to blame... I personally cut my own from Starret feeler stock and have NEVER had a problem in over 500 machines, it may be a bit more expensive then any other stock out there, and it may take more time to cut your own.... but the quality cant be beat
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Aug 24 2009, 10:00 AM
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QUOTE (bubba sparks @ Aug 23 2009, 10:22 PM) it dosent take a fucking rocket scientist to figure this one out, bad stock. x2 -------------------- Nosferatu1812@yahoo.com
CLICK ME " Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy,and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty"- Plato |
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Aug 25 2009, 09:14 AM
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QUOTE (emcee2 @ Aug 22 2009, 07:09 PM) i dont know, whatever checkmate uses on his machines, i did file down the corner on my spring shelf and move the deck plate back so it is not hanging over and my liner seems to be holding up so far, although ive only used it for about 6 hours, so that could change... I've been using Joey D springs for the last 2 years without breakage like I've been having within the last few weeks, and my builds have been the same during this time, in fact I've stopped building untill the issue is resolved. I've spoke to Joey about the problem recently , we'll figure this out ! Gonna have to start cutting my own rears for now if I need a spring. My apologies to anyone who has experienced this problem on one of my machines (you're not the only one emcee2) . |
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Aug 25 2009, 03:51 PM
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I figured something was up. I'm not happy to hear what has happened with everyone but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't glad I'm not the only one.
Does anyone know if it was a particular spring guage that was cracking on every single one? Or were they a diverse group? -------------------- "Often times, the man considered to be the most wisest is also the man who has made the most mistakes."
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Aug 25 2009, 06:17 PM
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QUOTE (Biyoku @ Aug 25 2009, 06:51 PM) I figured something was up. I'm not happy to hear what has happened with everyone but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't glad I'm not the only one. Does anyone know if it was a particular spring guage that was cracking on every single one? Or were they a diverse group? Typicaly for me it's been 18 |
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Sep 12 2009, 08:13 PM
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ok well i tried everything, i filed down all the sharp corners and made sure the spring clamp didnt overhang the spring deck, and it did last a little longer, 2 weeks! does anyone know if the spring stock issue has been resolved and if so where i can buy some good stock?
-------------------- I haven't failed, I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work.[http://www.facebook.com/p/Marc_Chislett/623005117
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Sep 13 2009, 03:20 AM
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QUOTE (Checkmate @ Aug 25 2009, 09:14 AM) I've been using Joey D springs for the last 2 years without breakage like I've been having within the last few weeks, and my builds have been the same during this time, in fact I've stopped building untill the issue is resolved. I've spoke to Joey about the problem recently , we'll figure this out ! Gonna have to start cutting my own rears for now if I need a spring. My apologies to anyone who has experienced this problem on one of my machines (you're not the only one emcee2) . if ya don't mind me askin,are you buying strip stock from a tattoo supplier,or buying sheet stock from a spring manufacturer,i have 18 sheet stock,and they seem really durable and long lasting,it may be just your supplier got a bad run,too much heat makes em brittle,not enough makes em less rigid,try annealing a set and see if that solves the problem,they sound too brittle,or try a different supplier and see how that goes,good luck |
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Sep 13 2009, 03:44 AM
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QUOTE (emcee2 @ Sep 12 2009, 08:13 PM) ok well i tried everything, i filed down all the sharp corners and made sure the spring clamp didnt overhang the spring deck, and it did last a little longer, 2 weeks! does anyone know if the spring stock issue has been resolved and if so where i can buy some good stock? emcee where are ya located,i've got some old spring stock i can either send ya a coupla small strips or send em to checkmate to have him make em,lemme know,i have never had a spring break within a year a buildin,so if it breaks right after this stock,then you'll bet it's a mechanical problem,but i'm bettin my cash on the stock,i don't have p.m. here,but post here and somehow i'll get ya my info through another member,i like those builds,they look sweet,be a shame to waste em for this stupid lil problem |
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Sep 13 2009, 07:05 AM
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hey jr. that would be waesome if i could get some tried and tested spring stock, do you maybe wanna set something up for paypal?
thanks, marc chislett contact me thru facebook if you have or my name at hotmail dot com -------------------- I haven't failed, I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work.[http://www.facebook.com/p/Marc_Chislett/623005117
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