Plz Help, Back Springs On Two Machines By Checkmate Keep Breaking

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emcee2 View Member Profile	Aug 18 2009, 06:00 AM Post #1
Human Billboard Group: Full Member Posts: 872 Joined: 3-September 07 From: Hamilton, Ontario Member No.: 576	i just purchased two machines from checkmate, a liner and a shader, they both run great but the back springs keep breaking! they have broken on both machines twice now and they seem to break within 4-6 hours of use. the liner runs at 130hz loaded and the shader at 115hz, 160 and 130 unloaded. I was hoping somebody might have some suggestion so i dont throw $500 down the drain! the both seem to break right at the corner of the spring shelf but i also had one break about half way up.. here what they look like broke and not broken.... -------------------- I haven't failed, I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work.[http://www.facebook.com/p/Marc_Chislett/623005117

emcee2 View Member Profile	Aug 18 2009, 06:31 AM Post #2
Human Billboard Group: Full Member Posts: 872 Joined: 3-September 07 From: Hamilton, Ontario Member No.: 576	heres two more pictures one frome the side view and one of where the spring broke half way up... -------------------- I haven't failed, I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work.[http://www.facebook.com/p/Marc_Chislett/623005117

Kat Von Dyke View Member Profile	Aug 18 2009, 06:51 AM Post #3
Pin Cushion Group: Full Member Posts: 262 Joined: 24-June 09 Member No.: 13,955	did u try contacting checkmate? -------------------- KVD

mark101 View Member Profile	Aug 18 2009, 07:18 AM Post #4
Ink Slinger Group: Full Member Posts: 1,558 Joined: 9-September 07 Member No.: 604	pmed ya THE solution

Teo View Member Profile	Aug 18 2009, 07:59 AM Post #5
Human Billboard Group: Full Member Posts: 734 Joined: 7-September 08 From: between heaven and hell Member No.: 2,678	im having a wiled uneducated guess , sorta kinda think its... that square washer ? ....... edit:..... let me know if it is This post has been edited by Teo: Aug 18 2009, 07:59 AM -------------------- _{NEELE PAS !}

shocker View Member Profile	Aug 18 2009, 09:39 AM Post #6
Human Billboard Group: Full Member Posts: 707 Joined: 12-May 09 From: CORNWALL,near england, Member No.: 12,354	The square washer,a.k.a saddle clamp,shouldnt cause that...in fact its generally thought to be a beneficial piece of kit....it did break right there though....but I defer to those better qualified! I would have thought trimming the front spring to the curve of the washer,or using a square washer,might help...wouldnt explain the break point though...??? This post has been edited by shocker: Aug 18 2009, 09:44 AM -------------------- GENTLEMAN LOSER -- INTERNATIONAL SLUM DOG -- ON A FARM

mark101 View Member Profile	Aug 18 2009, 10:54 AM Post #7
Ink Slinger Group: Full Member Posts: 1,558 Joined: 9-September 07 Member No.: 604	nothing wrong with the front spring

iceman View Member Profile	Aug 18 2009, 01:50 PM Post #8
Pin Cushion Group: Full Member Posts: 124 Joined: 27-March 08 From: Leicester, England Member No.: 1,677	QUOTE (mark101 @ Aug 18 2009, 07:54 PM) nothing wrong with the front spring are you heavy handed i am and i have had a few break (not checkmates) i think over tightening the screws may cause this, maybe just a suggestion -------------------- A closed mind is like a closed book.........a piece of wood. Art and music are food for the soul

crrreature View Member Profile	Aug 18 2009, 02:38 PM Post #9
Needle Prick Group: Full Member Posts: 87 Joined: 8-July 09 From: New Mexico Member No.: 14,442	QUOTE (mark101 @ Aug 18 2009, 08:18 AM) pmed ya THE solution Mark101, Any reason not to share the solution for the group's benefit? -------------------- _____________________ Official Member of the "Never Buy Foreverstained" _______Fan Club_______

buzzbrush View Member Profile	Aug 18 2009, 02:51 PM Post #10
Ink Slinger Group: Full Member Posts: 1,003 Joined: 20-July 08 From: Manchester England Member No.: 2,304	QUOTE (crrreature @ Aug 18 2009, 02:38 PM) Mark101, Any reason not to share the solution for the group's benefit? most of the builders here will know the problem, lets see if a none builder can tell us the solution why dont you have first try?, thsi could be a good way of learning -------------------- http://smartinkmachine.weebly.com/

emcee2 View Member Profile	Aug 18 2009, 02:54 PM Post #11
Human Billboard Group: Full Member Posts: 872 Joined: 3-September 07 From: Hamilton, Ontario Member No.: 576	EDIT: PM Removed hey mark are you talking about the square spring clamp? if so it did come with the beveled edge facing forward and it was flush with the spring shelf, i just turned it to try something different, and it did do something different, instead of break at the corner of the spring deck it broke halfway up... i contacted checkmate and he sent me four replacement springs, and ive used them all up in a matter of a week... just looking to have a permanent solution so i dont have to retun them, and no i dont have a heavy hand, these are the only machines out of six that ive ever had this happen to. maybe markt4lyf, forgiven or buzz mighthave some input? -------------------- I haven't failed, I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work.[http://www.facebook.com/p/Marc_Chislett/623005117

buzzbrush View Member Profile	Aug 18 2009, 03:00 PM Post #12
Ink Slinger Group: Full Member Posts: 1,003 Joined: 20-July 08 From: Manchester England Member No.: 2,304	the edges of the clamp and the spring deck look very sharp i would take a file and remove the sharp edge from the spring deck and from the clamp (round them off with a small file) and yes mark 101 is right in the fact that the overhanging spring clamp would cause the spring to snap -------------------- http://smartinkmachine.weebly.com/

emcee2 View Member Profile	Aug 18 2009, 03:07 PM Post #13
Human Billboard Group: Full Member Posts: 872 Joined: 3-September 07 From: Hamilton, Ontario Member No.: 576	ill try filing down the corner of one of the machines and let you guys know how it goes, i just didnt wanna mess with it incase i wanted to return it. was hoping there was some other solution. -------------------- I haven't failed, I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work.[http://www.facebook.com/p/Marc_Chislett/623005117

buzzbrush View Member Profile	Aug 18 2009, 03:12 PM Post #14
Ink Slinger Group: Full Member Posts: 1,003 Joined: 20-July 08 From: Manchester England Member No.: 2,304	QUOTE (emcee2 @ Aug 18 2009, 04:07 PM) ill try filing down the corner of one of the machines and let you guys know how it goes, i just didnt wanna mess with it incase i wanted to return it. was hoping there was some other solution. just go easy, ya cant do any arm, when its done re spring it and hang it running for an hour or two loaded if ya like if it stays i think the problem could be solved -------------------- http://smartinkmachine.weebly.com/

crrreature View Member Profile	Aug 18 2009, 04:20 PM Post #15
Needle Prick Group: Full Member Posts: 87 Joined: 8-July 09 From: New Mexico Member No.: 14,442	QUOTE (buzzbrush @ Aug 18 2009, 03:51 PM) most of the builders here will know the problem, lets see if a none builder can tell us the solution why dont you have first try?, thsi could be a good way of learning If I had to make a guess it would be based on excessive movement of the rear spring. I would say maybe the armature bar making contact with the rear coil causing a double flexing of the rear spring. Possibly running the machine to hard with a very wide gap. Of course these would be guesses. -------------------- _____________________ Official Member of the "Never Buy Foreverstained" _______Fan Club_______

emcee2 View Member Profile	Aug 18 2009, 04:23 PM Post #16
Human Billboard Group: Full Member Posts: 872 Joined: 3-September 07 From: Hamilton, Ontario Member No.: 576	good guesses, but the armature bar dosent touch the back coils and i run them at 5.5-6.5 volts -------------------- I haven't failed, I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work.[http://www.facebook.com/p/Marc_Chislett/623005117

PAINT View Member Profile	Aug 18 2009, 04:26 PM Post #17
Ink Slinger Group: Full Member Posts: 1,747 Joined: 4-November 07 From: New Zealand Member No.: 922	i would go with the sharp edges that coupled with the over hang on that rear spring clamp, i would try running it with out the spring clamp first and see if you get any breakages, chackmate makes a hell of a nice machine i love the one ive got off him -------------------- The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be when you kill them.

emcee2 View Member Profile	Aug 18 2009, 04:29 PM Post #18
Human Billboard Group: Full Member Posts: 872 Joined: 3-September 07 From: Hamilton, Ontario Member No.: 576	yes he does, best running machines ive used, too bad im having this problem on both of them. can you post som pics of yours paint? -------------------- I haven't failed, I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work.[http://www.facebook.com/p/Marc_Chislett/623005117

PAINT View Member Profile	Aug 19 2009, 02:36 AM Post #19
Ink Slinger Group: Full Member Posts: 1,747 Joined: 4-November 07 From: New Zealand Member No.: 922	QUOTE (emcee2 @ Aug 19 2009, 12:29 PM) yes he does, best running machines ive used, too bad im having this problem on both of them. can you post som pics of yours paint? a no nonsence liner, never broken a spring definetly my favourite liner. -------------------- The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be when you kill them.

Teo View Member Profile	Aug 19 2009, 02:44 AM Post #20
Human Billboard Group: Full Member Posts: 734 Joined: 7-September 08 From: between heaven and hell Member No.: 2,678	well.....im stumped....im still hanging on to my first thoughts on the the square washer , as its over hanging slightly , wouldnt that cause undue pressure on the back spring ? -------------------- _{NEELE PAS !}

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