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 Jul 1 2008, 06:31 AM
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QUOTE (Alvin @ Jul 1 2008, 02:41 AM)  I really want to be nasty here, but I'll hold my tongue. Please read the thread before posting comments. This is NOT about the cost. I can bablefish that statement in more languages if this still confuses. Well...since I made the last reply, it looks like this statement is for me. Don't worry, I'm grown, intelligent, and thick-skinned so if the only way you can represent yourself is to be nasty, then go right ahead, I understand. As for the statement you just made, I must have been confused because "...this is NOT about the cost..." part seems to contradict the title "PAID Membership / No Way". Here, I'll explain: Paid Pronunciation:\ˈpād\ past and past participle of pay PAY: Pronunciation: \ˈpā\ Function: verb Inflected Form(s): paid \ˈpād\ also in sense 7 payed; pay·ing Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French paier, from Latin pacare to pacify, from pac-, pax peace Date: 13th century transitive verb 1 a: to make due return to for services rendered or property delivered b: to engage for money : hire <you couldn't pay me to do that> 2 a: to give in return for goods or service <pay wages> b: to discharge indebtedness for : settle <pay a bill> c: to make a disposal or transfer of (money) 3: to give or forfeit in expiation or retribution <pay the penalty> 4 a: to make compensation for b: to requite according to what is deserved <pay them back> 5: to give, offer, or make freely or as fitting <pay attention> <pay your respects> 6 a: to return value or profit to <it pays you to stay open> b: to bring in as a return <an investment paying five percent> 7: to slacken (as a rope) and allow to run out —used with out intransitive verb 1: to discharge a debt or obligation 2: to be worth the expense or effort <crime doesn't pay> 3: to suffer the consequences of an act — pay one's dues 1: to earn a right or position through experience, suffering, or hard work 2also pay dues : pay vi 3 — pay one's way or pay one's own way : to pay one's share of expenses — pay the piper : to bear the cost of something — pay through the nose : to pay exorbitantly or dearly synonyms pay, compensate, remunerate, satisfy, reimburse, indemnify, repay, recompense mean to give money or its equivalent in return for something. pay implies the discharge of an obligation incurred <paid their bills on time>. compensate implies a making up for services rendered or help given <an attorney well compensated for her services>. remunerate more clearly suggests paying for services rendered and may extend to payment that is generous or not contracted for <promised to remunerate the searchers handsomely>. satisfy implies paying a person what is demanded or required by law <all creditors will be satisfied in full>. reimburse implies a return of money that has been expended for another's benefit <reimbursed employees for expenses>. indemnify implies making good a loss suffered through accident, disaster, warfare <indemnified the families of the dead miners>. repay stresses paying back an equivalent in kind or amount <repay a favor with a favor>. recompense suggests due return in amends, friendly repayment, or reward <hotel guests were recompensed for their inconvenience>. This has kinda been the universal translation of the word Paid / Pay for hundreds of years now...if it wasn't about the money, then perhaps the post should have read "FREE Membership / No Way" ? Maybe I'm wrong...it's happened before. But the subtle threat of "being nasty" because someone answered a topic that you did not originate, or were the progenerator of the last response is pretty assinine...as I said before, if that's the only way you know how to represent yourself is by "being nasty" then perhaps this isn't the type of place for you to hang out. Have a nice day! 
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Jul 1 2008, 06:34 AM
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QUOTE (RideThatNeedle @ Jul 1 2008, 03:31 PM) Well...since I made the last reply, it looks like this statement is for me. Don't worry, I'm grown, intelligent, and thick-skinned so if the only way you can represent yourself is to be nasty, then go right ahead, I understand. As for the statement you just made, I must have been confused because "...this is NOT about the cost..." part seems to contradict the title "PAID Membership / No Way". Here, I'll explain: Paid Pronunciation:\ˈpād\ past and past participle of pay PAY: Pronunciation: \ˈpā\ Function: verb Inflected Form(s): paid \ˈpād\ also in sense 7 payed; pay·ing Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French paier, from Latin pacare to pacify, from pac-, pax peace Date: 13th century transitive verb 1 a: to make due return to for services rendered or property delivered b: to engage for money : hire <you couldn't pay me to do that> 2 a: to give in return for goods or service <pay wages> b: to discharge indebtedness for : settle <pay a bill> c: to make a disposal or transfer of (money) 3: to give or forfeit in expiation or retribution <pay the penalty> 4 a: to make compensation for b: to requite according to what is deserved <pay them back> 5: to give, offer, or make freely or as fitting <pay attention> <pay your respects> 6 a: to return value or profit to <it pays you to stay open> b: to bring in as a return <an investment paying five percent> 7: to slacken (as a rope) and allow to run out —used with out intransitive verb 1: to discharge a debt or obligation 2: to be worth the expense or effort <crime doesn't pay> 3: to suffer the consequences of an act — pay one's dues 1: to earn a right or position through experience, suffering, or hard work 2also pay dues : pay vi 3 — pay one's way or pay one's own way : to pay one's share of expenses — pay the piper : to bear the cost of something — pay through the nose : to pay exorbitantly or dearly synonyms pay, compensate, remunerate, satisfy, reimburse, indemnify, repay, recompense mean to give money or its equivalent in return for something. pay implies the discharge of an obligation incurred <paid their bills on time>. compensate implies a making up for services rendered or help given <an attorney well compensated for her services>. remunerate more clearly suggests paying for services rendered and may extend to payment that is generous or not contracted for <promised to remunerate the searchers handsomely>. satisfy implies paying a person what is demanded or required by law <all creditors will be satisfied in full>. reimburse implies a return of money that has been expended for another's benefit <reimbursed employees for expenses>. indemnify implies making good a loss suffered through accident, disaster, warfare <indemnified the families of the dead miners>. repay stresses paying back an equivalent in kind or amount <repay a favor with a favor>. recompense suggests due return in amends, friendly repayment, or reward <hotel guests were recompensed for their inconvenience>. This has kinda been the universal translation of the word Paid / Pay for hundreds of years now...if it wasn't about the money, then perhaps the post should have read "FREE Membership / No Way" ? Maybe I'm wrong...it's happened before. But the subtle threat of "being nasty" because someone answered a topic that you did not originate, or were the progenerator of the last response is pretty assinine...as I said before, if that's the only way you know how to represent yourself is by "being nasty" then perhaps this isn't the type of place for you to hang out. Have a nice day! Man you sure know how to put people in their place. -------------------- |
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Jul 1 2008, 07:08 AM
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RideThatNeedle, I hope you didn't expect anyone to actually read that. I read that you were a grown, intelligent man, then your post went into some childish rant. Touche.
If you spent a fraction of the time you took typing that crap to read the thread you'd see that he was referring to the fact that this information was given free by forum members on the understanding that it be shared to the public so why would someone then be able to sell it. He makes a perfectly valid point. Oh & not to burst your own self important bubble, but my post wasn't directed at you. It was to everyone who raised the point of the membership price to counter his statement. -------------------- "In this truck is a man whose latent genius, if unleashed, would rock the nation, whose dynamic energy would overpower those around him. Better let him sleep?"
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Jul 1 2008, 07:24 AM
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I guess your rebuttal somehow changed the definition and meaning of the word "Pay". Regardless of WHO it's directed at, it's still undeniable a pretty sorry argument, thinking that somehow it's wrong to pay for a membership here.
This is a great service, the people do a great job keeping it up, and they use their own resources to do so. You didn't invent tattooing, yet you bought equipment, studied, apprenticed, bought inks, consumables, furniture, and everything else involved so by your own logic you shouldn't get paid to tattoo since you can get all of the information you need for the application process free, right? These guys didn't invent the internet, yet they spend their own money to buy/lease equipment, bandwidth, domain service, etc etc and since they can get the INFORMATION free, negates the money they SPEND every month? If you don't think members should pay, don't pay...they don't force you. I chose to, becasue I respect what they're doing and could care less about the symantecs of "free information being perpetuated to others under the gloomy cloud of a $20 fee to be a full member" bah...what does that break down to, like .0001 cent per post at present count? If you can't see the necessity for raising money to keep this going, then you're beyond help and no need to talk to you about it anymore. As for my "self importance", I don't have that at all...you replied directly to me and I answered...that's all. I did include the disclaimer "I've been wrong before" so if I was wrong, oops...it happens from time to time, but I don't have any "self importance bubble" as you said...I honestly don't care about anyone who doesn't think what I say is important....I care about the few, earnest willing to be open minded and take something constructive from what I say. They're the important ones, not me. This post has been edited by RideThatNeedle: Jul 1 2008, 07:30 AM |
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Jul 1 2008, 07:39 AM
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Everybody relax. Let's keep the debate about ideas not people.
-------------------- Stay humble.
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Sep 19 2008, 11:14 AM
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I dont remember the last time I found a reference book for 20 bucks that had the same amount of info...not including the feedback offered. pay the 20 dollar LIFETIME membership and I guarantee you will forget about loosing that perfectly good 20 dollar bill in about 3 months!
-------------------- Just my 2 cents
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Sep 19 2008, 09:34 PM
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these kind of discussions are always funny at some point. they say i will donate 20 bucks any time to keep the site going but screw you if you want me to give 20 bucks for a life time membership. So then what are you arguing? If you would gladly pay a donation every month of 20 dollars then dont gripe about a one time 20 dollar fee to be a life time member its pointless. You are not forced to do anything you dont have to come to the site at all and why would you? You said most of the info is from newbies who repeat it over again and dont know what they are talking about. Bottom line is pay the twenty bucks and look at the whole site or leave its that simple but instead people like you feel they need to set it all straight but you forget its only youre opinion its not law and most see it different and pay. I remember when i started to look at the site before i was a member and i could acces everything but the few topics in the members area. Not to much different when i paid for a membership so it is still mainly a free forum to any one who just jumps in for a look. Nothing in this world is free and most things in life cost way more than what you pay for the membership of this site. To the mods and the other people who created this site keep on pushing forward you guys do a great job and for anyone who has never been a mod for a site its not all easy its like a second job most of the time after all they have to come on and sort through garbage like this topic and read through pointless rants to make sure nothing gets out of hand. Great job to all who run this site you guys deserve it.
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Sep 22 2008, 08:55 AM
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I think its important to point out too, that alot of this, if not all of it, is just about perspective. I can understand all types of perspecttives on this, but ultimately we choose whether we want to be bent over it or not. Whether we see it as a "wrong" or "right" think based on principal, or however else we want to justify it.
I for one do not see it as a sight selling "free info". 95% of the info is free to anyone with a PC. People without a PC are probablly pissed that we are even requiring THAT. Everyone draws the line where they choose. But my perspective is, its not a sight selling free info. It is a sight, with TONS of free info, that costs money to run. Why should I expect someone to invest time, attention, stress, and their own money, to help me, without contibuting? How selfish and retarded is that? And ya, we could do the math, crunch some numbers on actual cost, and investigate if the site has turned any sort of profit, but dude who cares? Id be stoked of this site had enough membership to let Jason run this joint as his full time job. But, thats not reality. If you really wanna crunch numbers, and incorporate how much time, attention, energy, cost, etc has really been invested, and continues to be invested to keep this place as cool as it is.... Jason would probably make more money and better proffit working a weekend shift once a month at McDonalds. It truly is a labor of love. One which Im grateful for and appreciate. My 2c |
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Sep 22 2008, 11:10 AM
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it's been a while since i read SOME of the bullsh*t in this thread, but the way i see it is i am not PAYING to learn this information, i am paying so that future users will still have a source of information that we have been lucky to recieve for free, i'm helping to keep this sight running for those who wish to learn as i have, AND would like to thank all those who have helped to keep this sight running for so long before i found the place. (donators before payment plan indtroduced.))
cheers to you all. 
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Sep 26 2008, 10:40 AM
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the cost is minimal, when you think its a lifetime of great information for the cost of 3 decent tattoo magazines... or just over 2 gallons of petrol.. and those are things we buy and dont bat an eyelid at spending the money on.
i think im safe in saying that this is the most helpfull and informative site for self learning enthusiasts of the art.. -------------------- forums are for friendship, sharing & learning.... NOT bullshit, bullying & hatred
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Sep 29 2008, 08:20 AM
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ahhhhh....its been a week and i have already forgotten.....
-------------------- Just my 2 cents
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Oct 28 2008, 05:46 PM
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well as a newbie to the site I have to throw out my opinion. I find it to be a great site and I WILL be paying the dues or membership fees. reguardless of when or where you put your post in my opinion once posted becomes ink trails property and they should be able to do with as they see fit. I mean I do see everyones point but if you dont want them to do anything with it dont post it plain and simple. people like myself are here to learn and if me or any other person that comes in here is serious about learning the fine art of tattooing then we should expect to pay. after all there is nothing in life that is free
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Oct 28 2008, 07:10 PM
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I guess I missed something in this long thread...where did someone say anything about us "doing" anything with posts?! We are not witting a book, creating a CD, or anything of the like. Where did that conspiracy theory come from!
-------------------- Stay humble.
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Oct 28 2008, 09:00 PM
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This is one of the friendliest and informative forums that i have ever found.
With current exchange rates $20 is about R285 for me. This amount equates to "pocket change" when one considers the amount of information that is available on this site. I don't know of anywhere else where Experienced artists are prepared to share their "industry secrets" with raw scratches. |
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Oct 30 2008, 10:10 AM
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QUOTE (EllisD @ Oct 29 2008, 05:00 AM) This is one of the friendliest and informative forums that i have ever found. With current exchange rates $20 is about R285 for me. This amount equates to "pocket change" when one considers the amount of information that is available on this site. I don't know of anywhere else where Experienced artists are prepared to share their "industry secrets" with raw scratches. jasus boet R285 ! ...been a while since i saw a cheetah on my paper stack ! |
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Oct 30 2008, 10:10 AM
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this site rocks, end of.....worth every penny...
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Oct 30 2008, 06:53 PM
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Here my 2 cents on this topic..
I do understand about the information bit, some may recall me asking in the "Apprent forum" about coil winding.. Mark was right about the research and I do believe if you want it bad enoughyou will do whatever it is to get it. But $20 fark all really most could spend that at Mc D's or KFC if not more. so pay the $20 this site needs to be serviced and secured at all times and that cost BUCKS, it's unfair on the owner that provides this forum to fit the bill without our support. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Maybe, just maybe it could be cool to allow questions in the Apprent section from non members, or limited question from non member ... that was frustrating... just a little LOL |
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Nov 7 2008, 02:43 PM
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Thanks for all the thoughtful responses. Most every opinion's been expressed. Topic closed.
-------------------- Stay humble.
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