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This site is no substitute for a formal apprenticeshipThis site is not a substitute for a professional apprenticeship with a licensed tattoo studio. Nor is this site a definitive source for learning the art or trade of tattooing. An apprenticeship is the ONLY universally accepted way to learn proper safety practices and sound technique.
While we welcome members of all levels, we STRONGLY advocate staying away from skin until you've received formal training from someone who works in the field. Hell, even hair stylists must complete over a year of courses, pass a state health board exam, and apprentice under a professional studio before earning a chair.
The trade of tattooing has a rich history and traditions that have been passed down from generation to generation. If you respect the art, please show your respects by learning the right way.
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Intenze Zuper Black..., Quick Question. |
  Oct 29 2009, 08:13 AM
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Yes it is very Black and yes it does go in very fast, however, I find that when it comes to wiping off it goes into the pores and seems to set or dry on the skin and I am finding it quite difficult to wipe away. I don't use vaseline and only use distilled water/anti bac mix to wipe.I usually use ONE Black, anybody came across this, all help tips appreciated, Peace out P.
-------------------- C'MON THE HOOPS IN 2010,
Pure Shite in 2009, A Fukin No. |
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Oct 29 2009, 11:07 AM
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i found it to be exactly like kuro sumi in its consistancy, wiping up and ease of going in, just heals blacker, i cant be much help i use vaseline with the solid color work to assist in clean up.
-------------------- The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be when you kill them. |
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Oct 29 2009, 02:57 PM
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I've heard good about it from a respected artist. What's wrong with Vas & Green Soap?
-------------------- If you ain't livin' on the edge, you're takin' up too much space.
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Oct 29 2009, 03:10 PM
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Cheers Guys, nothing wrong with using Vas, I got into a habit of not needing it when using One so its back to vas and green with this one methinx, cheers,P..
-------------------- C'MON THE HOOPS IN 2010,
Pure Shite in 2009, A Fukin No. |
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Oct 30 2009, 03:07 AM
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Although I haven't tattooed personally yet, so I can't speak from my own experience of actually using inks, I asked my tattoo artist about which ink he uses and this is what I learned:
He said that for black all inks are pretty much the same - apparently black tattoo inks are essentially exactly the same as a good indian ink (which is what he uses), just repackaged in smaller bottles and with an insane mark-up on price. As far as I'm aware, (here in the UK anyway) there aren't actually any inks available that have passed any kind of government safety test to be approved for tattooing purposes, and all they are is pigment and some kind of carrier (such as witch-hazel) therefore, so long as you don't use ink intended for other purposes such as from a camera film or printer cartridge (as these have other ingredients to add a 'shine' to the product), and obviously use a reputable distributor you should pretty much get the same results, as I understand it. He didn't drop any names, so I felt I shouldn't ask, but I've heard others recommend Talons(/Talonz?) drawing ink which is available here. (£36 for 990ml) I'm sure many will disagree with this point, but I can assure you that (without name-dropping myself) this particular artist is world renowned, and specializes almost solely in working in black and grey, and I must say the black in the work I have by him is as black as any I've seen anywhere (and has required no touch-up) Colours, on the other hand, are a whole different kettle of fish, as there are more ingredients that go in to making them, so you have to be a lot more particular about which ones you use, and should definately only use reputable tattoo ink companies. I hope this helps - I think that while it's important to have the right equipment, with this at least it's all in the technique - how well you can get the ink in, without blaming shoddy work on not having the right brand. Just make sure that whatever you use doesn't contain any base metals and you should be fine - although even some reputable tattoo ink companies state on their bottles that they can't guarantee that their ink doesn't contain these. With regard to vaseline, it's a controversial issue - many say that it's fine to use (particularly old-timers), while many others warn against using it for many reasons including blocking pores and deteriorating gloves. I would definately tend to side with the latter, but that's just me, and like I say, I have no actual hands-on experience. This issue is discussed at length in other posts though... |
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Nov 30 2009, 07:34 AM
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Just to clarify the point I made above - Please please please make sure you know what's in whatever ink you're using.
No fake/imitation crap (Kuri Sumakki or whatever the f**k is on offer at some places) Whether you chose drawing ink/indian ink or dedicated tattoo ink, use only known reliable brands from reputable suppliers, that have been approved by people who know the tattoo industry. |
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Nov 30 2009, 08:36 AM
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QUOTE (hkd @ Oct 30 2009, 03:07 AM)  He said that for black all inks are pretty much the same - apparently black tattoo inks are essentially exactly the same as a good indian ink (which is what he uses), just repackaged in smaller bottles and with an insane mark-up on price. As far as I'm aware, (here in the UK anyway) there aren't actually any inks available that have passed any kind of government safety test to be approved for tattooing purposes i just wanted to pick these few points out and add some input.. not to be clever or to think im a know it all.. but as far as i am aware.. black tattoo ink isnt the same as indian ink... you should/have to boil toxins out of indian ink/talens before using it for skin.. STARBRITE manufactured their Iron Butterfly range for Europe.. to comply with EU regulations. -------------------- Nosferatu1812@yahoo.com
CLICK ME " Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy,and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty"- Plato |
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Nov 30 2009, 09:27 AM
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Not all blacks the same! Some are thin some are thick, some are for outlining some for fill and some are for tattooing and some are for paper!
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Nov 30 2009, 09:40 AM
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QUOTE (hkd @ Oct 30 2009, 11:07 AM) He said that for black all inks are pretty much the same - apparently black tattoo inks are essentially exactly the same as a good indian ink (which is what he uses), just repackaged in smaller bottles and with an insane mark-up on price. bollocks!!... Indian ink or pellican ink tattoos will go blue/green as they age... They are not ment for tattooing, alot of artists still use it though... I wouldn't let anyone tattoo me with it! |
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Nov 30 2009, 10:20 AM
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sometimes i use an old biro , cracked it open and go to town !
 i find kuro does the trick and heals up nice n black...(original kuro that is) not too black but to my eye heals at a nice value havent tried one or intenze , but to be honest some times when a tattoo is too black it almost looks odd to me, horses for courses of course ! |
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Dec 1 2009, 02:26 AM
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indian ink contains shellac, not good in the skin.
-------------------- Common sense is not so common
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Dec 2 2009, 04:29 AM
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Escher - Oh yeah - I forgot that - he did definately mention shellac.. I think that you should ensure that it doesn't have it in it.. I think that's one of the things he said was in printer ink/camera ink etc to make it 'shine'....??
Lucid - That may be true, but in my experience and as far as I'm aware all tattoos fade to a certain extent after many years - no ink is going to retain the same look as when just applied.. Also, it may just be me, but I quite like the bluey tinge that older tattoos tends to have (The greenier ones can look a bit dirty though) Nag - yeah, I didn't mean all inks act exactly the same - there's always bound to be some variation that you mentioned, but I think the point he was trying to get across is that good results can be achieved with any reputable brand, be it specifically labelled tattoo ink or not.. The thing is, even some tattoo ink says 'not suitable for tattooing' on the bottle. Noz - Thanks for the input on Starbright inks - I was under the impression that no such regulations were in place, my bad |
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Dec 26 2009, 01:43 AM
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QUOTE (M.C.Escher @ Dec 1 2009, 02:26 AM) indian ink contains shellac, not good in the skin. inks like these,i believe talenz is the most used one,and seems to be in hi regard across the board,by many well respected artists.is boiled off for a half hour before use on skin.i believe whats in them theyre trying to get rid of is alcohol based and will boil off -------------------- I wash my hands before i touch my dick.
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Jan 6 2010, 08:47 AM
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alcohol inhibits the growth of bacteria in it...
-------------------- Whatever dick weed!
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Jan 6 2010, 12:39 PM
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oops .... its already been answered........
This post has been edited by punkfloyd: Jan 6 2010, 12:43 PM -------------------- |
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Jan 6 2010, 03:50 PM
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Talenz DRAWING Ink is made in Holland and carries these words on the bottle :
"Professional waterproof drawing ink. To be used by technical (drawing) pen and (air) brush. Adheres on several kinds of paper, bristol (cardboard), film. Not for tattoo". The last three words do it for me. Ink formulated especially for tattoos is a clear winner here. -------------------- If at first you don't succeed ......... maybe skydiving is not for you.
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Jan 6 2010, 07:42 PM
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Talens and pelikan are as safe, if not safer than most "specially formulated" inks.. i dont feel like typing out why all over again.. so here.. Reasons
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Jan 6 2010, 08:19 PM
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Hehe, I had totally forgotten about that thread.
Not trying to bust your balls or anything here J.D, but if Talens/Pelican/whatever was safe for tattooing, why would it say "Not for tattoo" on the back of the bottle? Just curious is all, not trying to start an argument. -------------------- If at first you don't succeed ......... maybe skydiving is not for you.
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Jan 7 2010, 03:01 PM
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....liability
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Jan 7 2010, 06:03 PM
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That's a good point man, thanks. Hadn't thought of it like that.
-------------------- If at first you don't succeed ......... maybe skydiving is not for you.
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