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Hot Hot Hot Coils!, I'm an amateur |
 Oct 2 2009, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE (MARKT4LYF @ Oct 2 2009, 02:00 PM)  holy shit Now tha machine has got some throw -------------------- Strick9
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Oct 2 2009, 02:29 PM
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QUOTE (MARKT4LYF @ Oct 2 2009, 02:00 PM) holy shit speak to me |
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Oct 2 2009, 02:42 PM
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thats a huge amount of stroke and rear spring tension, id say theres your problem right there, who built it? style looks like someone familiar and the problems your having wouldnt suprise me.
-------------------- The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be when you kill them. |
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Oct 2 2009, 02:54 PM
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QUOTE (PAINT @ Oct 2 2009, 02:42 PM) thats a huge amount of stroke and rear spring tension, id say theres your problem right there, who built it? style looks like someone familiar and the problems your having wouldnt suprise me. It probably is someone you know, but it's not really important who built it - I bought it a year ago and am just now getting the opportunity to break it in and I'm having these problems - things that I should have brought to the builders attention ... like a year ago. So as this point I just want to know what I need to do to make it work for me. |
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Oct 2 2009, 02:58 PM
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QUOTE (Aufwe @ Oct 3 2009, 11:54 AM) It probably is someone you know, but it's not really important who built it - I bought it a year ago and am just now getting the opportunity to break it in and I'm having these problems - things that I should have brought to the builders attention ... like a year ago. So as this point I just want to know what I need to do to make it work for me. get some new springs and tune it to your liking, only thing you can do really, unless you want to contact the builder. -------------------- The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be when you kill them. |
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Oct 2 2009, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE (PAINT @ Oct 2 2009, 02:58 PM) get some new springs and tune it to your liking, only thing you can do really, unless you want to contact the builder. I'll probably do both. Thanks guys |
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Oct 2 2009, 05:20 PM
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QUOTE (Aufwe @ Oct 2 2009, 02:54 PM) It probably is someone you know, but it's not really important who built it - I bought it a year ago and am just now getting the opportunity to break it in and I'm having these problems - things that I should have brought to the builders attention ... like a year ago. So as this point I just want to know what I need to do to make it work for me. dayum too much tension you got there lol. change out the springs like everyone said. shim the rear coils, then fine tune it. if it still heats up, you got some shitty coils. time to hit up markt4lyf for a set This post has been edited by haric: Oct 2 2009, 05:21 PM |
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Oct 2 2009, 05:25 PM
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also hold it up to the light and press down on the abar so you can see if it's hitting the front coil flat. looks like the front coil also needs to be shimmed
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Oct 2 2009, 05:54 PM
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QUOTE (haric @ Oct 2 2009, 10:25 PM) also hold it up to the light and press down on the abar so you can see if it's hitting the front coil flat. looks like the front coil also needs to be shimmed the monster tension & coils in need of shimms are prolly all to blame. I could be wrong (but i doubt it) but id say the coils are from dr. blood, looks like his work. They should be fine, but everybody spins a pair of lemons from time to time so who knows -------------------- im pretty much done on this forum, you can reach me thru my website
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Oct 2 2009, 07:07 PM
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yep WAAAYYY too much backspring bend,probably what cacked your front spring up,when ya get the new one,get it rolled up till it just bends the front spring to the contact slightly,may need more or less tension based on stroke and spriing gauge,but that and the shims and also your side plate is bent away from the base,making your front post off centerline,just poorly tuned, thanks,i had to know,lol maybe try different gauges on her also,see how it feels with 18/18/or 18/16/but won't know how it is till ya feel her,good luck
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Oct 2 2009, 08:43 PM
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Man I dont want to piss in your cereal - but that machine has a ton of issues its obvious from the pics that the frame isnt strait - the geometry on the machine is off - there is WAY to much of a bend on that rear spring & I'd bet that was to compensate for a spring deck that was welded/brazed too low. - AND NONE of that is what I bet your real problem is. I bet there is a short in the windings of the coils - and based on how fast its heating up I would say its not only close to the core - but you may have shorts in BOTH cores... which wouldnt surprise me if the person that put the "attention to detail" on the frame wrapped the coils :/
anyway... looks like she needs some SERIOUS work by someone that knows what they are doing. Otherwise shes really a paperweight |
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Oct 3 2009, 01:33 AM
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to be fair
those are the best pictures iv ever seen when anyones asked about a problem with a machine and as you can all see the problems are glaringly obvious. TAKE THAT AS A TIP PEOPLE.!!! I Reckon if anyone else wold have put those pictures up you would have known the issues they were having aswell |
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Oct 3 2009, 06:18 AM
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yep,excellent pictures,also the rear deck looks like it is angled downwards towards the back coil,should file it to angle back,and front spring looks too long,needs a lot of love but dooable
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Oct 3 2009, 06:50 AM
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Oct 3 2009, 01:04 PM
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A bit beside the point now,but,......
...the phenomenon of electrical problems appearing or worsening as time passes is often seen in motor vehicles,and large power amplifiers and lotsa other things too.This is sometimes attributable to a fault in insulation that is to small (closed) to cause a short, opening up as things warm up and metal expands, giving rise to an opening in the insulation and thus the possibility of a short circuit.The warming up doesnt need to very noticable to give problems...but you will notice the short circuit problem.This expansion-to-short situation can happen in other areas . I recently had a machine that had similar symptoms...got rougher and weaker over time,coils heated up,stopped after about 5 minutes.I stripped the coils and found no insulation between the winding wire and the core...the maker had relied upon the enamelling to insulate and where the winding wire had exited the bottom washer it looked as though the bending during manufacture had weakened the enamel enough to open up as it warmed and contact the core.There was also a bad back spring problem in this case...the springs temper had weakened leaving it an unpredictable bit of bent metal. As far as the OPs machine probs go I reckon you guys have covered everything that I could possibly come up with (not much!) and a whole lot more.....thanks everyone -------------------- GENTLEMAN LOSER -- INTERNATIONAL SLUM DOG -- ON A FARM
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Oct 3 2009, 01:53 PM
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yeah i just shelled out hard earned wages for 2 machines off the same guy.
cutback liner i ordered when loaded ran at 100hz, lol cutback shader i ordered is just plain wacky, don't know what use it'll ever be. ha! spent a day on them both trying to tune them, thought i had them nailed but when i tattooed with them today they were pretty bad. had to change back to my old machines. just seems not fair to me after shelling out 400usd on something i was promised to run like a dream, straight out of the box. i'd gladly pay someone who knows what they're doing to fix these for me. don't think i'll forgive the original builder...... peace.. lol This post has been edited by skoda19: Oct 3 2009, 01:57 PM |
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Oct 3 2009, 03:37 PM
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Did "he" say the readings were unloaded only and that he'd never run them loaded,or that they were good to go?Ive been caught out tuning machines ...assuming that good numbers and feel and noises meant that it'd be fine ,loaded up...but then I'm no expert and Im not charging big money.And I always try to make good on any cockups.
Have you spoken to the builder?Surely he doesnt want bad machines of his out here spoiling his name? -------------------- GENTLEMAN LOSER -- INTERNATIONAL SLUM DOG -- ON A FARM
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Oct 4 2009, 07:37 AM
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yeah sent a email about a week ago sayin that i had to spend a day tweaking at the machines, no reply as yet.
here's my cutback liner/ cutback shader set. liner on top, shader below. 
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Oct 4 2009, 07:46 AM
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QUOTE (skoda19 @ Oct 4 2009, 12:37 PM) yeah sent a email about a week ago sayin that i had to spend a day tweaking at the machines, no reply as yet. here's my cutback liner/ cutback shader set. liner on top, shader below. neither are cutbacks nor liners. Well i guess its could be used to line if you had a really slow hand -------------------- im pretty much done on this forum, you can reach me thru my website
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Oct 4 2009, 08:19 AM
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Whats up with those front binders and (lack of) contact screws?
-------------------- GENTLEMAN LOSER -- INTERNATIONAL SLUM DOG -- ON A FARM
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