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 Sep 1 2009, 03:43 PM
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does any one know how to oil blacken an iron frame? i hear that it needs to be heated up and then dipped into oil, im just not sure of the ultimate temp it needs to reach or the type of oil it needs to be dipped into. will a mapp gas torch be suffice. any info on blackening a frame would be great. thanks.
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Sep 1 2009, 05:25 PM
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ok after reading a few back post on this ( i previously did a search but i guess i wasnt looking up the right thing) i got my answer. what i couldnt find an answer on is after blackening the frame, is that all or is thier some way to seal it? or is that all it needs is to be protected from rusting is being heated up and quenched in motor oil?
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Sep 1 2009, 06:12 PM
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care to share the answer? i know how to blue the frames was going to do one of mine in a few days, il admit i havent done a search for blackning the frames
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Sep 1 2009, 06:34 PM
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QUOTE (PAINT @ Sep 1 2009, 06:12 PM)  care to share the answer? i know how to blue the frames was going to do one of mine in a few days, il admit i havent done a search for blackning the frames yeah it took me a while to find what i was looking for also. but i just got done with it and it was actually really easy, what i did was take a coffee tin or some other metal container and fill it with motor oil , some say even use used motor oil or ATF take a torch i used a mapp torch but propane should work and heat the frame really hot almost til its red and then dip it in the oil and let it cool off in thier. be careful not to put so much oil that when you dip it it over flows. it works and it was actuall pretty easy. also use a wire coat hanger to hang the frame from it so you dont burn your self. i did this four times and it came out really nice. i would still like to know though if it needs to be sealed after. PAINT i noticed that in the post above you spelled blackning, that was my problem also i was entering blakened blakned all sort of ways when i entered blacken thats when i got some results. ill post some pic a soon as i take them. but still if anyone knows if the frame needs to be sealed let me know and with what? thanks. -------------------- |
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Sep 1 2009, 06:35 PM
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yeah id be interested to see the answers & results
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Sep 1 2009, 06:42 PM
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hey i member you,your the new sherriff in town,lol,
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Sep 1 2009, 06:44 PM
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Heres one pic
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Sep 1 2009, 06:46 PM
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heres another, yeah markt ill be getting another set of coils from you for this frame as soon as i scroung up enough dinero,
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Sep 1 2009, 06:48 PM
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right on, just let me know when yer ready
 i think i could spin up a set that would look hot on that frame
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Sep 1 2009, 06:48 PM
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QUOTE (jrf134 @ Sep 1 2009, 07:42 PM) hey i member you,your the new sherriff in town,lol, wow you have great memory whats going on? -------------------- |
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Sep 1 2009, 06:49 PM
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nice work can smell tha boinin erl now
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Sep 1 2009, 06:59 PM
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QUOTE (jrf134 @ Sep 1 2009, 07:49 PM) nice work can smell tha boinin erl now Thanks brotha!! im still just wondering if the frame needs to be sealed, some one told me to wipe it done with a cloth saturated in wd40 and then clean it with alcohol. this didn't sound right to me but i thought ide put it out there for comment. johnnie this is eventually gonna be a liner im putting together for my friend im sure when im ready youll put that special touch on em like you did the last pair i got from you. as soon as i get that machine all in order ill post some pics. -------------------- |
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Sep 1 2009, 07:23 PM
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the oil penetrates 0.03 of a mm and will give some protection against rust
it will stay good if you keep your machines in a dry place and dont wipe them down with water i have oil dipped frames over three years old and they look as good now as they did then |
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Sep 1 2009, 08:17 PM
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QUOTE (buzzbrush @ Sep 1 2009, 08:23 PM) the oil penetrates 0.03 of a mm and will give some protection against rust it will stay good if you keep your machines in a dry place and dont wipe them down with water i have oil dipped frames over three years old and they look as good now as they did then thanks buzz thats the answer i was looking for so ill just go and leave them as is. thanks again. -------------------- |
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Sep 1 2009, 08:24 PM
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QUOTE (steal25 @ Sep 2 2009, 02:34 PM) yeah it took me a while to find what i was looking for also. but i just got done with it and it was actually really easy, what i did was take a coffee tin or some other metal container and fill it with motor oil , some say even use used motor oil or ATF take a torch i used a mapp torch but propane should work and heat the frame really hot almost til its red and then dip it in the oil and let it cool off in thier. be careful not to put so much oil that when you dip it it over flows. it works and it was actuall pretty easy. also use a wire coat hanger to hang the frame from it so you dont burn your self. i did this four times and it came out really nice. i would still like to know though if it needs to be sealed after. PAINT i noticed that in the post above you spelled blackning, that was my problem also i was entering blakened blakned all sort of ways when i entered blacken thats when i got some results. ill post some pic a soon as i take them. but still if anyone knows if the frame needs to be sealed let me know and with what? thanks. thanks for saving me the hassle of the search, so if i wanted blues i heat the metal till its blue and oil dip it if i wanted completely black heat it till its basically red then oil dip it, have i got that right? -------------------- The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be when you kill them. |
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Sep 1 2009, 09:12 PM
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QUOTE (PAINT @ Sep 1 2009, 09:24 PM) thanks for saving me the hassle of the search, so if i wanted blues i heat the metal till its blue and oil dip it if i wanted completely black heat it till its basically red then oil dip it, have i got that right? correct, i also have another method where i heat the frame dip it then pull it out and burn the oil off with the torch re dip and repeat until you get the effect you want, try it you will be suprised what you can get, when blueing you want a nice polished frame for best results |
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Sep 2 2009, 06:09 PM
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QUOTE (buzzbrush @ Sep 2 2009, 01:12 AM) correct, i also have another method where i heat the frame dip it then pull it out and burn the oil off with the torch re dip and repeat until you get the effect you want, try it you will be suprised what you can get, when blueing you want a nice polished frame for best results ive been experimenting with springs and arm bars too in the oven and have gotten some nice blues and purples....wasnt able to get it hot enough to blue the whole frame tho some spots blue and purple but mostly a dark straw or bronze ish color...i read somewher that motor oil burns off at around 600 degrees and thats about the temperature for a blue temper dark grey pops up at about 800...it goes from a straw color to dark straw to brown to brown purple,purple,dark purple to blue then green then grey i think... would spraying a few coats of lacquer on the frame protect it? or would it affect the appearance of the tempers? |
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Sep 2 2009, 06:18 PM
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QUOTE (buzzbrush @ Sep 2 2009, 01:12 AM) correct, i also have another method where i heat the frame dip it then pull it out and burn the oil off with the torch re dip and repeat until you get the effect you want, try it you will be suprised what you can get, when blueing you want a nice polished frame for best results ive been experimenting with springs and arm bars too in the oven and have gotten some nice blues and purples....wasnt able to get it hot enough to blue the whole frame tho some spots blue and purple but mostly a dark straw or bronze ish color...i read somewher that motor oil burns off at around 600 degrees and thats about the temperature for a blue temper dark grey pops up at about 800...it goes from a straw color to dark straw to brown to brown purple,purple,dark purple to blue then green then grey i think... would spraying a few coats of lacquer on the frame protect it? or would it affect the appearance of the tempers? |
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Sep 2 2009, 06:21 PM
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i think ya gotta look at your numbers again there drock,google heat treating and you'll see what i mean
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Sep 2 2009, 06:23 PM
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and dramatic heat changes have effects on metals,and they may not be what you want in cetrain applications
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