Guidelines for Giving Feedback
Guidelines for Giving FeedbackPlease consider the following when giving feedback on a member's tattoo:
Line work: Does the artist seem to have grasped the technique of applying smooth, consistent lines? Do the lines flow with no shakes, skips or blow-outs?
Fill: Are all color and black areas a consistent color?
Shading: Does the tattoo show smooth gradients and transition effectively from light to dark?
Color Harmony: Does the tattoo have colors that compliment each other?
Placement/Size: Does the tattoo seem to be the right size for the area chosen? Is it centered and lined up with any other work? Does it go with the flow of the body?
Design: How well does the overall design work? Does it have sound composition? Does it feel well thought out?
Feedback: What areas could be improved?
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Bannered Rose, Rose & Banner Calf Tat |
 Oct 21 2009, 08:33 PM
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she came to me with a rough line drawing her brother had done with a rose and a banner. i put one my roses in and wrapped a banner with her son's names. i talked to her about adding color to the rose and leaves, but as for now she says she wants to stay black and gray. 5rl, 7rs, kuro black and washes.
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Oct 22 2009, 04:01 AM
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that shading is rough. A 7rs is too small for a piece like that. A 7 mag is choice for this. Stay away from using rs's in big areas.
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Oct 22 2009, 04:26 AM
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well it's not a good tattoo, sorry, but than again if you only just started tattooing i can't really criticize, it's pretty normal that first tattoos are bad
 . so how long u been tattooing?
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Oct 22 2009, 05:57 AM
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yeah man pretty bad sorry ... linework is bad at best and the shading is as choppy as a blind man cuttin hair ... ( ive seen it .. it suX ) anyways man u def need to be using mags .. thats all i use for shading mags and liners .... round shaders are pretty pointless in my book ....
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Oct 22 2009, 07:14 AM
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on top of that, the art should really have been refined a little before this one went to skin.
your thorns are insanely long too 
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Oct 22 2009, 09:42 PM
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QUOTE (eveline @ Oct 22 2009, 05:26 AM)  well it's not a good tattoo, sorry, but than again if you only just started tattooing i can't really criticize, it's pretty normal that first tattoos are bad . so how long u been tattooing?not long, less than a year and i have been trying to take it slow. my shading still needs work forsure; however, based on all feedback in person i doubt it's terrible. everyone has their opinion. but to just offer an opinion often is limited in it's effectiveness at best, as far as feedback for growth. some things people post can only be interpreted as being posted to be mean or to be funny, even if the poster thinks he or she is trying to help. it would help to offer specifics and those who are experienced might provide tips or links to examples of work that speaks to what they are trying to share. sorry nerd, but to say my linework is bad when those lines in your most recent post (the pit) are way worse is perplexing to say the least. and you are in shop. i am new, so i am sure my lines have major room for improvement. i can take criticism. it's no different than in college drawing when i would turn something in that i loved and get a C and then turn in something i just wasn't feeling and get an A. everybody sees things differently. i am not trying to be confrontational, but seek to get feedback that leads to growth; this while minimizing the senseless bashing and feedback that is so vague it is essentially worthless. yeah, the thorns are insanely long; i had them that way in the drawing. it was an embellishment for effect, i know artists never do that... sorry you weren't feeling that. any specific tips on shading on the flower would be appreciated. i searched and studied hundreds of rose drawings online and didn't find anythat seemed to use true light source shading, but rather most use contour shading to show direction and depth with the petals. i am definitely left brain dominate, so i am always interested in how you right brainers approach it.
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Oct 22 2009, 11:49 PM
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Flowers are tough to shade because the light sourcing can get really confusing. I just did a bunch of them, and feel pretty good about my technique. If it helps, I'll list the process I go through when rendering a flower. You can take what you want from it, or tell me to fuck off.
 I usually tend to just lean towards always rendering my gradients outwards from the crevices out. From the inside out. That creates the feeling of the flower curving into it's center. Then I shade another layer trying to look at each petal as an individual curved shape. I usually fix my light source at the top left and envision how light would reflect off each individual petal. The tops of the curved plane will be highlighted, and the more it curves down away from the light source, the darker it gets. It can get confusing with so many subtle twists and turns of each petal, but if you concentrate on each petal's basic curve and shape, one at a time, it simplifies it a bit. Finally, after each petal is rendered individually, I look at the flower as a whole. Use my gut, and give it the minor tweaks it needs to tie all the petals together. Make sense? As far as your tattoo application, a mag would have been a lot easier. Are you familiar with whip shading? >>click here<< Get some pig skin and tear that shit up until you can get a good smooth gradient with just undiluted black. >>click here<< Try using the same technique as you would simply crosshatching with a ballpoint pen to get a dark to light gradient. Straight whips like Nerd illustrated in the tutorial. All crosshatching to get the right gradient. Mags are super easy to use, once you get them figured out, but can tear shit up if you're uncomfortable with them. I hope some of this helps. -------------------- |
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Oct 23 2009, 12:37 AM
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well i'm not sure wot to say to that. maby i don't feel good enough to give advise. show and tell is purely to get an opinion on a tattoo from members and i suppose when u post in this thread that's wot u gonna get. and u sking for tips or directions belive me forum isn't going to teach you to tattoo. J.D. did a good thing posting some links with sugestions that mite help, he's always been helpfull and good job he still is
under a year ago i got my equipment and started tattooing from home and i thought, just like you do, it wasn't that bad. few months ago i got into a shop, and i basicaly learned from the beginning again, turns out there is a lot of things i didn't know, and on many ocasions when tattooing i was going wrong, thinkin in my mind it was right. my teacher most of the time wnats me to sit, watch and ask questions, so i'm lucky my aprentecip is not all about cleaning. to watch someone do a piece from beginning to the end all day long, and during that beeing explained every step gives you the best lessons in the world. as you get better you will look back at this tattoo and decide yourself it wasn't good, so you know... don't be offended by opinions from the forum as one day in the future you will agree with them, looking back of course. good thing is, you get to tattoo and for now .. well if client is happy with it i guess there's nothing more to say. |
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Oct 23 2009, 06:06 AM
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really .. ur taking a shot at me? wow i would def not say ur linework is better but i def agree mine was not the best .. by the way u say u have been tattooing under a year ive been at it prolly about at the most 6 months more tahn u ...
anyways i gave u a tip i told u use a mag .. a mag would def fix some of the choppyness about shading placement thats another issue u shaded dark on the outside and light on the inside .. really? it should be total opposite .. also design like i sadi is flawed wheres the end of the banner .. looks like every banner is its own with no end just 4 circular banners ... anyways my intents never to degrade or to make a joke well sometimes a joke is good hahah .. but i do give an honest crit and tell u whats wrong ... i did not think u were a babby and needed all the legwork done for u ... finding a referance to show u and all that .. ur lucky people here take the time to crit you .. we tell u whats wrong and accasionally tell u how to fix it but most of the time u need to do the legwork and ask and search ... if u dont want a crit on your work by me thats fine .... i could care less -------------------- www.inkedbythenerd.com swallowsndaggers tattoo forum Swallows and Daggers Support The Traditional Movement Tattoo Artist, Painter, Asshole and Machine Collector |
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Oct 23 2009, 08:47 AM
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lol^^^
the tattoo itself is horrible. find some photos of roses and stuff like that to use as reference material. one of the biggest parts about a bad tattoo is the design itself. you gotta learn to refine and re-refine your design before it ever even goes on skin. i suggest u get some piggy to get a better feel for you machine as well. look thru the forum for some shit on gradients and shading. -------------------- In the pursuit of progression.
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Oct 23 2009, 11:51 AM
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I was looking at this for a while, and just couldn't figure out what was 'off'.
Overall, I think it's a decent design, it just wasn't executed in the best way possible. While the linework and shading are patchy (more so the shading) You might be able to fix it some once it heals. I suggest googling 'rose' or 'rose tattoo' and looking at how the shading occurs in these pictures and practice on some pig skin or some other similar medium until you really nail the concept, this helped me a lot. Right now the tattoo doesn't have a real definitive light source, and it looks kind of like you just shaded starting at one edge and lightened the color until you reached the next line. It took me a while but I figured out what didn't seem right. It was the banner. While the shading on the right side of the banner is probably the tightest shading on the piece, the left side leaves something to be desired. What really throws the design off, in my opinion, is that the banners do not have a back, once they turn they just disappear. I also think putting ends on the banner at the top and bottom would help the overall design. The linework on the banners looks pretty tight, and is, what I think, probably the best part of the tattoo. --------------------  |
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Oct 23 2009, 12:22 PM
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QUOTE (The Nerd @ Oct 23 2009, 06:06 AM) really .. ur taking a shot at me? wow i would def not say ur linework is better but i def agree mine was not the best .. by the way u say u have been tattooing under a year ive been at it prolly about at the most 6 months more tahn u ... thank you for the specifics. but you are right, you are one of the few that is usually specific and thorough. and you do put your work out there for others to compare and comment on. i do appreciate your candid responses, keep them coming if you have the time. i think i see all that you are refering to. most are not specific and many of those do not have posts of their own to show their skills and possible examples. i look forward to all feedback. in addition to the feedback i do try to search for tips and techniques, so i have no problem doing the work. you'll find i am far from lazy.anyways i gave u a tip i told u use a mag .. a mag would def fix some of the choppyness about shading placement thats another issue u shaded dark on the outside and light on the inside .. really? it should be total opposite .. also design like i sadi is flawed wheres the end of the banner .. looks like every banner is its own with no end just 4 circular banners ... anyways my intents never to degrade or to make a joke well sometimes a joke is good hahah .. but i do give an honest crit and tell u whats wrong ... i did not think u were a babby and needed all the legwork done for u ... finding a referance to show u and all that .. ur lucky people here take the time to crit you .. we tell u whats wrong and accasionally tell u how to fix it but most of the time u need to do the legwork and ask and search ... if u dont want a crit on your work by me thats fine .... i could care less many tattoo designs are based on animation. many people do not like animated drawings or they way they are designed. if a tattoo artist puts that down, that doesn't make it a bad tattoo just because you don't like the design. sharing that opinion is going to be just that. perhaps sharing comments on the tattoo technique (lines, shading, proportion, symmetry, etc...) in addition would be far more beneficial. it would seem the forum is more for education and growth rather than rating tattoos. ratemyink.com is a perfect place for random tattoo rating and opinion. proportion and symmetry are things instructors address first in drawing, without those the lines and shading are not going to matter. the human eye immediately picks out errors in those areas. can't say i ever remember any else even mention proportion or symmetry. there is always room to learn and grow. i have so much to learn with the finer points like shading and smooth gradients. i will definitely spend much effort and time studying those areas. it is probably not a good tattoo, and i see so many "trainwrecks" that maybe i was fooling myself into thinking it was better than it is. if this is terrible, how do we qualify those? only way to improve is to keep working and put it out there for all to see. i am going to keep drawing and i will pull some of the piggie out of the freezer tonight and the next few days and go to work. the positive is that i've shown the client all of the feedback and she was surprised and adament that she still loves it. so that is really all that matters to me. i feel more comfortable and confident with each time i set-up, so
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Oct 23 2009, 01:45 PM
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im glad to see ur taking the crit well now ... and u see whta im talking about ...
just take this tattoo put it behind u but always keep it in mind ... and never do 1 like this again ... do a lot of art and post it in the art section .. i belive the best tattooers on this forum are not even tattooers yet ... they are just painting, sketching and a lot of other shit ..... -------------------- www.inkedbythenerd.com swallowsndaggers tattoo forum Swallows and Daggers Support The Traditional Movement Tattoo Artist, Painter, Asshole and Machine Collector |
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Oct 23 2009, 07:40 PM
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QUOTE (Rhemsis @ Oct 23 2009, 12:51 PM) I was looking at this for a while, and just couldn't figure out what was 'off'. Overall, I think it's a decent design, it just wasn't executed in the best way possible. While the linework and shading are patchy (more so the shading) You might be able to fix it some once it heals. I suggest googling 'rose' or 'rose tattoo' and looking at how the shading occurs in these pictures and practice on some pig skin or some other similar medium until you really nail the concept, this helped me a lot. Right now the tattoo doesn't have a real definitive light source, and it looks kind of like you just shaded starting at one edge and lightened the color until you reached the next line. It took me a while but I figured out what didn't seem right. It was the banner. While the shading on the right side of the banner is probably the tightest shading on the piece, the left side leaves something to be desired. What really throws the design off, in my opinion, is that the banners do not have a back, once they turn they just disappear. I also think putting ends on the banner at the top and bottom would help the overall design. The linework on the banners looks pretty tight, and is, what I think, probably the best part of the tattoo. super post, i really appreciate the time and effort. i obviously was caught off guard and being defensive. i guess i didn't feel it was horrible. but obviously it's not about semantics, whether it's horrible, terrible, poor, etc... is irrelevant; bottom line, it is not good. i wasn't sure where to go next. my wife and friends insist i push forward, work hard, and not quit. and i love to draw and tattoo. so i will go back to square one. jd, thank you tons. i didn't intentionally fail to mention you; your posts and feedback are exceptional and i know most are super happy you are a part of this forum. eve, i feel what you are saying. i am about to start an in-shop apprenticeship on a part-time basis. i truly look forward to watching in detail many tattoos being applied. i have googled rose drawings; in part, that is where some of my "confusion" began. there are many poor renderings mixed into what comes down for results, so you really have to take time to pick them apart. there are definitely some good examples out there. you are right about them being challenging jd. the fully open ones seem easier as they are closer to being in a flat plane. when you look at one's that are spreading from bud to open rose you get the flower going from basically vertical to horizontal and everything in between (if that makes sense). those types of roses seem to be much more imposing to work through the shading. thanks to all. |
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