**new Rule - No Posting Of 3rd Party Images, Links With The Intention Of Slander Or Bullying***, Please Read! |
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 May 18 2008, 06:06 AM
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An issue has recently come up about a post of a potentially unsafe tattooer and my decision to remove both a personal picture of the man and a link to his myspace account. I wanted to provide context to the rationale behind my decision.
One of the reasons for my decision was a recent case that of a woman who is being indicted for creating a fake myspace profile and "bullying" a girl, eventually leading to her suicide. Here's the Department of Justice's press release on the case: http://losangeles.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pres...la051508usa.htm While I think what this woman did was reprehensible, I am not in the opinion that she should be criminally liable for the little girl's death. However, this case could potentially have disastrous implications for "anonymous" users and their culpability simply for something said online. Whether or not she is found guilty, and ultimately broke any laws remains to be seen. However, I wanted to address the issue and how it applies to this forum. Similar to the rule about posting images of people without their permission, I strongly feel that posting the personal myspace address of someone without their consent for the sole purposes of challenging their credibility and to potentially evoke harassment is not something I, or this site condones. I am going to remove this post entirely and moving forward any post that is created for this purpose will be removed as well. I ask that members refrain from engaging in such behavior. Thanks for your understanding. -------------------- Stay humble.
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May 18 2008, 09:53 AM
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i think people just wanted to be informed j not harass or slander anyone...........guess bein informed is a bad thing now? whatever
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May 18 2008, 10:27 AM
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sorry eric but i have to agree, what you need to understand is the forum mods and creators are responsible for the overall running of the forum and are probably (not sure on legal stuff) liable to any prosecutions if a named and shamed artist were to get funny, and decide to sue for slander or something stupid, i think that post's regarding to news articles or cases from court regarding bad tattooist should be ok, but if there is no proof (legally) then we would not want to get the forum closed or anything (drastic but could happen?).
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May 18 2008, 01:12 PM
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QUOTE (eric1972 @ May 18 2008, 09:53 AM)  i think people just wanted to be informed j not harass or slander anyone...........guess bein informed is a bad thing now? whatever The post not only showed a crappy tattoo design, but included a picture of the guy and a link to his personal page. This site is not a resource for the average Joe seeking to verify the work and safety standards of unlicensed artists. It's for those interested in the art to share their own work and get feedback. My only point is the site WILL NOT be used used for giving negative feedback on artist's work who don't IMPLICITLY give their permission for such. Framed another way, how would you feel if someone posted your work on another site (without permission) and people were generally negative or even advocated physical abuse (as I heard mentioned in the previous post)? If this guy posted his work, then have at it. But it's not OK to post other people's work for the purposes of trashing it. It doesn't seem in the least bit unreasonable to me... -------------------- Stay humble.
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May 18 2008, 02:16 PM
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QUOTE (TAFKAJ @ May 18 2008, 02:12 PM) The post not only showed a crappy tattoo design, but included a picture of the guy and a link to his personal page. This site is not a resource for the average Joe seeking to verify the work and safety standards of unlicensed artists. It's for those interested in the art to share their own work and get feedback. My only point is the site WILL NOT be used used for giving negative feedback on artist's work who don't IMPLICITLY give their permission for such. Framed another way, how would you feel if someone posted your work on another site (without permission) and people were generally negative or even advocated physical abuse (as I heard mentioned in the previous post)? If this guy posted his work, then have at it. But it's not OK to post other people's work for the purposes of trashing it. It doesn't seem in the least bit unreasonable to me... as usual we can agree to disagree. i went and saw his stuff that's all i ever wanted to do. no backlash to the trails nobody got flamed just took a peak and was satisfied. and as far as postin my stuff elsewhere go ahead i put it out there and anyone with a pc could copy and paste away ...........that's the way it goes if you post somethin online its out there for the world to see so he did offer it up to persecution or praise whether it was here on the trails or not..........just curious why you assume we're all gonna go rally the townsfolk with torches and such?.......lol  don't take this stuff personal j i'm just counter point to your point. i just hate how censored this place is becoming
This post has been edited by eric1972: May 18 2008, 02:18 PM |
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May 18 2008, 04:17 PM
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I appreciate that we can debate it without getting personal. I wouldn't want someone putting my work on I.N. and people railing against it and would probably email their admin asking to have it removed. Did you read the release on the "myspace mom?" While despicable, she did nothing more than pretend to be someone else (which we all do to some extent online), lead the girl on, and then insult her and add "the world would be a better place without you." The 14-yr old later committed suicide. Is is a sad story? Absolutely. Was this the only factor in this girl's suicide? Probably not. Did this mother commit a punishable crime? Not in my opinion. However, the fact that this case is being heard in LA courts is a signal that the anonymity that we once enjoyed on the web, may not protect you behind that keyboard. It's a message that if you use that anonymity to "yell fire in a crowded theater," threaten, or from the sound of this case even insult someone you could be liable.
You must understand why I didn't want the Trails being used to spread this guy's information! Someone wrote, "someone out to break his hands." -------------------- Stay humble.
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May 18 2008, 06:53 PM
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that is a sad story and i also can see what you're sayin about not wantin people to harass someone. i just don't think that was the real intention. and as i said once you post work anywhere on the net you are opening it up to criticism,theft, what have you........as far as the "break their hands " that's just bullshit posturing see it all the time on other forums. really just empty threats from a keyboard warrior. no one's really gonna do that and anyone easily swayed by a forum chat to resort to violence has bigger issues to deal with that don't stem from anything we have done. anyway its a non issue i just hate censorship and am obnoxiously outspoken sometimes (ok alot lol) like i said jason its not personal and you'll probably never be able to make me agree with alot of things you believe but that's the beauty of free speech . we don't HAVE to agree. but i'll cut you some slack lol....hell other forums tell people to come break our hands everyday but no one's been brave enough to show up at my pad yet with a hammer lol
This post has been edited by eric1972: May 18 2008, 06:55 PM |
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May 18 2008, 07:13 PM
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QUOTE (eric1972 @ May 18 2008, 10:53 PM) that is a sad story and i also can see what you're sayin about not wantin people to harass someone. i just don't think that was the real intention. and as i said once you post work anywhere on the net you are opening it up to criticism,theft, what have you........as far as the "break their hands " that's just bullshit posturing see it all the time on other forums. really just empty threats from a keyboard warrior. no one's really gonna do that and anyone easily swayed by a forum chat to resort to violence has bigger issues to deal with that don't stem from anything we have done. anyway its a non issue i just hate censorship and am obnoxiously outspoken sometimes (ok alot lol) like i said jason its not personal and you'll probably never be able to make me agree with alot of things you believe but that's the beauty of free speech . we don't HAVE to agree. but i'll cut you some slack lol....hell other forums tell people to come break our hands everyday but no one's been brave enough to show up at my pad yet with a hammer lol ya know lol oddly no one has showed up here with a hammer either. well, once, but he was helping me build a shed so thats a bit different -------------------- *PARENTAL ADVISORY* i say fuck alot!
SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKYS. NOT REALLY GOOD FOR ANYTHING BUT THEY BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN PUSHED DOWN THE STAIRS |
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May 18 2008, 07:44 PM
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At the risk of sounding like Im affraid to take a position on this (trust me Im not), I really can understand either side. The bottom line is for me, if I go in someone elses house, I go by their rules, and if I cant, if my beliefs prevent me from submitting to what they are asking, then I just split. Some fights are worth fighting, absolutely, but its always good to choose our battles. Either way, I appreciate both sides being direct and to the point. All I know is, Ive been in forums, social circles, all kinds of "groups" where some have no bounderies and are all out anarchy, and others have "modding"...call it censorship, call it control, call it whatever.... but in almost any setting I can think of... people want anarchy and total freedom, but once they get it, they dont like the results it has. Respect levels plummit, cliques form, people who are not politically correct get shunned, it just turns into a place that nobody wants to come to anymore. I feel that alot of hard work has gone into keeping these forums different from others. And I believe its those things that keep us all coming back day after day. Just my opinion, my 2 cents. I dont claim to have it all figured out, just my personal perspective.
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Sep 5 2008, 03:30 AM
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What the fuck is that?
-------------------- Tattooed people don't care if you aren't tattooed.
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Sep 5 2008, 01:29 PM
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didnt see how old this thread was
This post has been edited by mark101: Sep 5 2008, 01:31 PM |
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Sep 6 2008, 04:08 PM
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QUOTE (ElDubya @ Sep 5 2008, 09:30 PM) What the fuck is that? My post above was in reference to about 4 posts of garbled spam that was posted, not the original topic. -------------------- Tattooed people don't care if you aren't tattooed.
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Sep 7 2008, 06:09 AM
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what the fuck was that?????????
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Oct 4 2008, 06:48 AM
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would like a moderator to make sure im not posting anything "forum illegal" please tell if this happens...
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Oct 4 2008, 08:27 AM
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no posting of 3rd party images for the intent of claiming its your own....
-------------------- toxic martin has spoken
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