This site is no substitute for a formal apprenticeship
This site is no substitute for a formal apprenticeshipThis site is not a substitute for a professional apprenticeship with a licensed tattoo studio. Nor is this site a definitive source for learning the art or trade of tattooing. An apprenticeship is the ONLY universally accepted way to learn proper safety practices and sound technique.
While we welcome members of all levels, we STRONGLY advocate staying away from skin until you've received formal training from someone who works in the field. Hell, even hair stylists must complete over a year of courses, pass a state health board exam, and apprentice under a professional studio before earning a chair.
The trade of tattooing has a rich history and traditions that have been passed down from generation to generation. If you respect the art, please show your respects by learning the right way.
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 Oct 4 2008, 05:40 AM
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ok am about to start on pigskin
just lookin for some pointers to start with what is a good angle for holding machine and do you use same angel for liners and shaders does the tattoo machine change sound when you are tattooing, er does its sound dullen when you have contact with skin with needles if for example i used a 7rl what does the seven relate in actual size regards liners and shaders what is a good speed to run both at thx This post has been edited by snox: Oct 4 2008, 05:54 AM |
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Oct 4 2008, 06:59 AM
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angles : 60/ line 45/ color/shade
if your machine bogs down when you hit the skin, turn the volts up a little (search for " the rule of thumb method " ) for tuning advice.. 7rl = 7 needles in a tight cluster a medium size liner.you need a shader needle to shade/color Liners and Shaders.. You NEED seperate machines, set up differently : different springs, A-Bars, Coils, Caps.. Different contact gap , different contact angle... they can run from under 5 volts up to over 10 volts, it just depends on the machine... if its an ebay kit more than likely over 10V Hope this helps... oh and soak your pigskin in warm water for 10mins and wipe it dry.. ALSO .. read more on here, all the answers you need are to be found. Peace if any of the above info is incorrect, can someone put it right.. -------------------- Nosferatu1812@yahoo.com
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Oct 4 2008, 12:42 PM
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the fresher you can get the skin, the easier it will "glide" into the skin... other than that agree 100% with noz....
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Oct 5 2008, 09:17 AM
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Im not sure what you mean by 60 for lining. But you should be holding the machine straight when lining. So when you are lining the machine will be at a 90 degree angle to the line or basically to the surface of the skin. I have heard many people say that you can have an angle with the liner as long as it is not to much and inline with the line you are putting down. So make sure you are not leaning away from the path of the line it will cause blow outs.
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Oct 5 2008, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE (legionaire @ Oct 5 2008, 12:17 PM)  Im not sure what you mean by 60 for lining. But you should be holding the machine straight when lining. So when you are lining the machine will be at a 90 degree angle to the line or basically to the surface of the skin. I have heard many people say that you can have an angle with the liner as long as it is not to much and inline with the line you are putting down. So make sure you are not leaning away from the path of the line it will cause blow outs. 60 degree angle -------------------- Screw The Rent! Get A Tattoo!
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Oct 5 2008, 11:14 AM
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right.... u can have up to a 60 degree angle tip top back needle straight on outline....not tipped side to side... think of it like sanding wood...follow the grain....
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Oct 5 2008, 11:42 AM
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i wasnt really sure wether to put 60... but this is what ive heard over and over,so i always make sure i dont go under 60.. i probably angle at moer like 70-80 for lining.. and obviously not lining sideways..
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Oct 5 2008, 11:51 AM
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QUOTE (Noz187 @ Oct 6 2008, 08:42 AM) i wasnt really sure wether to put 60... but this is what ive heard over and over,so i always make sure i dont go under 60.. i probably angle at moer like 70-80 for lining.. and obviously not lining sideways.. ive always been told 90 degrees, but regardless of what ive been told i line how it works for me and more often then not im at 60 degrees. |
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Oct 5 2008, 12:41 PM
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Ya thats what i thought you probably meant also. Just making sure i to use a slight angle with the direction i am going of course but never side to side from the path.
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Oct 5 2008, 01:36 PM
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when u say never side to side i presume you mean always up or down with machineer push pull
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Oct 5 2008, 01:44 PM
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like kinda something to this effect
__________\_________________ the " \ " being the needle and the " _____ " being skin side view This post has been edited by Bad Boy: Oct 5 2008, 01:45 PM -------------------- Screw The Rent! Get A Tattoo!
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Oct 5 2008, 01:44 PM
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kinda hard to word it so everyone understands but think of it as walking on a tight rope if you lean left or right you will fall same with lining a tattoo if you lean off the line it will have blow outs. But you can lean with the line make sense?
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Oct 5 2008, 01:46 PM
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QUOTE (legionaire @ Oct 5 2008, 05:44 PM) kinda hard to word it so everyone understands but think of it as walking on a tight rope if you lean left or right you will fall same with lining a tattoo if you lean off the line it will have blow outs. But you can lean with the line make sense? there we go.... good analogy -------------------- Screw The Rent! Get A Tattoo!
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Oct 5 2008, 01:57 PM
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get ya
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Oct 5 2008, 10:45 PM
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QUOTE (legionaire @ Oct 6 2008, 09:44 AM) kinda hard to word it so everyone understands but think of it as walking on a tight rope if you lean left or right you will fall same with lining a tattoo if you lean off the line it will have blow outs. But you can lean with the line make sense? damn man thats an awsome analogy, nice n simple. |
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Oct 15 2008, 12:07 AM
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Why would you get blowouts from changing you angle? don't they occur when you change depth?
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Oct 15 2008, 12:08 AM
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have you ever seen a blowout on pigskin?
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Oct 15 2008, 12:09 AM
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I only did about 6 ears, and 5 feet. but i never noticed blowouts. until i did my my first tat on myslef with a machine. then i noticed blowouts...
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Oct 15 2008, 02:54 AM
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quick note on the pig skin, you can soak it in warm water before you hit it, softens the skin makes it easy going. Not as tough.
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Oct 15 2008, 03:11 AM
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blowouts are a depth issue...
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