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  Sep 3 2008, 04:41 PM
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ok guys i wanna start by saying most of you know me pretty well...
i am a very thick skinned person...seems my work has been suffering lately and i have become a target for a bunch of shit and drama... you all know i post every piece i do...and lately i have picked up some tips that are showing in my work... i have noticed that the JR members who have almost no post are simply being jackasses... offering no help at all...just simply saying that sucks or quit tattooing... everyone who knows me knows that i take it well...but its getting out of hand... i do not plan to stop tattooing or stop posting...but i am sick of assholes offering nothing but negativity... we need to have a section for members to post their work so other members can help them out with it... i dont feel i am alone in this ...i have seen some rude comments and its just not right... guests or jr members with nothing to offer should simply move on... i have several friends here and respect each and every member... this used to be a nice place to come and relax and learn... how can i learn from a comment that says this sucks? it may suck but tell me what i need to do to improve... i have come along way in the year i have been here...and hope to continue on improving but this negativity shit has to stop...if ya dont like a post move on to the next one./.. i know there is no simple solution...but the trails is now on the radar and has been... it was always kept low key for fear of persecution by top artists on inked nation and other places... but now with the advertising and word of mouth it has gotten out and we will all soon be targets... we will always be scratchers in others eyes until we get into shops... im not planning to get in a shop...i enjoy doing what i do in the comfort of my own home and i do it as cleanly as possible...im not hurting anyone and always show respect... all i ask is the same respect in return... sorry for the rant...but i feel better now... i hope you as a team can do something about this problem respectfully yours chuck -------------------- |
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Sep 3 2008, 04:55 PM
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mods should just delete posts that offer no constructive info, even just saying awsome job is just as bad, give people a big head when theres things that need to be worked on, if it aint a contructive post just delete it, just a thought.
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Sep 3 2008, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE (PainT'n'Skin @ Sep 3 2008, 08:55 PM)  mods should just delete posts that offer no constructive info, even just saying awsome job is just as bad, give people a big head when theres things that need to be worked on, if it aint a contructive post just delete it, just a thought. thats an idea but a little extreme...no way could they read every post and i dont expect them 2...i was hoping for something like a members only show and tell section... where jr members wouldnt even be allowed unless they join... most members here offer up good advice and my work has improved thru the help... i wanna be able to post knowing im gonna get help and not have to hear it sucks if it sucks i know it does...but i need to know why and how to improve... does that make sense? chuck -------------------- |
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Sep 3 2008, 05:46 PM
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well said chuck
and how about the ones offering sarchastic critique and have never posted thier own work. kinda like me sayin CHUCK your truck sucks dude you should stop driving that shit and get yourself a nissan yet i have never owned a nissan......... get my drift? BTW i dont even know if CHUCK drives a truck or roller skates just makin it clear before someone flags down the shit wagon peace bro. crueel. -------------------- if all else fails...blame the pigmies.
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Sep 3 2008, 06:04 PM
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They totally over look the entire point of the show and tell area. It isnt for bashing. Its a place where you post work to get actual useful critique so you can apply it and progress. Thats exactly what you do, Chuck. I hafta give you props for doing what you do. And even though you get a lot of shit, you're using the constructive criticism to better yourself. You want me to take 'em out back and talk to them reeeaalll up close like?
-------------------- "Creating solutions for crowd rape since 2008"
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Sep 3 2008, 06:13 PM
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If I'm one of the junior members with the pointless posts I'm sorry... i'll start posting more of my drawings so my opinions seem more valid. I'm sorry that you think the negativity has been towards you.. and i suppose it kind of has been, but it's been more towards the BAD TATTOOS you have been doing, (I'm not saying they all are, but the majority.. yes) You'll notice on the better ones you've done more people comment on how much better you're getting, rather than focus on the bads (which in itself is a bad thing). You shouldn't get praise for what you are doing "tattoo wise," but you should for having the balls to post good and bad... and for taking the crits with a cool head, it takes balls. Bad tattoos make some people angry.. especially people who are looking to get into this business, and respect the artform. I'm sorry chuck, but people are just going to get harsher and harsher because you just keep doing the same thing, over and over.
i love you chucky poo -------------------- if you're 555 then i'm 666
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Sep 3 2008, 06:19 PM
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sorry to hear that people are attacking you personaly, yep ive laught me head off reading critiqes, do what i do, read there coments then look for there work, most times you wont find it ,,ha ha, found one guy giving all sorts of advice,,yes even telling someone to go back to pig skin,,checked out his work and wet me self your fucking kidding,,,,ive been tattooing since befor dirt was around and never bagged anyones work,,, leaves ya self open for the same thing..
chuck dont take it to heart mate this site is very helpfull even at my age ive picked up the odd tip, id recommed all apprentices use this site, mine do, thats how i found out about it{being comuter illiterate ha ha.) ive seen tattooing change so much,when i first started there where fuck all suppliers ,no internet,and every corner had a milk bar not tattoo shops, we had to beg borrow or steal,to get shit or simply make your own. so chuck use this site as it was ment for imformation, dont take it to heart mate,taken me 30 years to get where i am, and imstill blown away by some off the amazing work done by people who have only been at it for a short time, some are just natural, we my friend must power on. look forward . and keep ya knee,s in the breeze |
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Sep 3 2008, 09:14 PM
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QUOTE (trippdowt @ Sep 3 2008, 09:13 PM) If I'm one of the junior members with the pointless posts I'm sorry... i'll start posting more of my drawings so my opinions seem more valid. I'm sorry that you think the negativity has been towards you.. and i suppose it kind of has been, but it's been more towards the BAD TATTOOS you have been doing, (I'm not saying they all are, but the majority.. yes) You'll notice on the better ones you've done more people comment on how much better you're getting, rather than focus on the bads (which in itself is a bad thing). You shouldn't get praise for what you are doing "tattoo wise," but you should for having the balls to post good and bad... and for taking the crits with a cool head, it takes balls. Bad tattoos make some people angry.. especially people who are looking to get into this business, and respect the artform. I'm sorry chuck, but people are just going to get harsher and harsher because you just keep doing the same thing, over and over. i love you chucky poo this was in no way directed at you tript... you always offer helpful advice...this was just a generalization... no harm no fould bro...keep doing what you do... chuck -------------------- |
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Sep 3 2008, 09:18 PM
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QUOTE (wock @ Sep 3 2008, 09:19 PM) sorry to hear that people are attacking you personaly, yep ive laught me head off reading critiqes, do what i do, read there coments then look for there work, most times you wont find it ,,ha ha, found one guy giving all sorts of advice,,yes even telling someone to go back to pig skin,,checked out his work and wet me self your fucking kidding,,,,ive been tattooing since befor dirt was around and never bagged anyones work,,, leaves ya self open for the same thing.. chuck dont take it to heart mate this site is very helpfull even at my age ive picked up the odd tip, id recommed all apprentices use this site, mine do, thats how i found out about it{being comuter illiterate ha ha.) ive seen tattooing change so much,when i first started there where fuck all suppliers ,no internet,and every corner had a milk bar not tattoo shops, we had to beg borrow or steal,to get shit or simply make your own. so chuck use this site as it was ment for imformation, dont take it to heart mate,taken me 30 years to get where i am, and imstill blown away by some off the amazing work done by people who have only been at it for a short time, some are just natural, we my friend must power on. look forward . and keep ya knee,s in the breeze thanks for that...i always take it well... i think im just saying what alot of people are thinking... i have never cared what people thought of me...especially on the internet... i am simply me...like it or dont...im laid back...easy going...and always willing to learn telling me i suck doesnt help me learn... that would be like handing in an exam and the teacher telling me i sucked and offering no explanation on how to get better...lol all good...again ill be in touch for sure... chuck -------------------- |
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Sep 3 2008, 09:29 PM
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Chuck,
While I understand your sentiments, we cannot and will not be responsible for monitoring every post made. It's our job to step in when members are not following the website's guidelines. I created a MEMBERS ONLY section and would be happy to add a separate Show & Tell section only visible to paying members if others would like that. Otherwise, I would ask that if you feel members are leaving rude comments without any guidance let a mod know. (note: telling someone they should focus on art before touching skin is not necessarily being rude). However it is also up to community as a whole to counter non-helpful comments by offering helpful comments. Attacking the person leaving rude comments doesn't necessarily deter them. Ignore rude comments and focus on those who's opinion you respect. -------------------- Stay humble.
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Sep 3 2008, 10:51 PM
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QUOTE (Jumpin' J Flash @ Sep 4 2008, 12:29 AM) Chuck, While I understand your sentiments, we cannot and will not be responsible for monitoring every post made. It's our job to step in when members are not following the website's guidelines. I created a MEMBERS ONLY section and would be happy to add a separate Show & Tell section only visible to paying members if others would like that. Otherwise, I would ask that if you feel members are leaving rude comments without any guidance let a mod know. (note: telling someone they should focus on art before touching skin is not necessarily being rude). However it is also up to community as a whole to counter non-helpful comments by offering helpful comments. Attacking the person leaving rude comments doesn't necessarily deter them. Ignore rude comments and focus on those who's opinion you respect. i appreciate that jason...just want you to be aware that it is happening... this used to be like a family..all helpful and wanting to learn... i guess its just a matter of expression no matter how its said...so does that mean i should start being an asshole but then offer up advice? wow man that fucking sucks but if you try this it might work? is that what we have come 2? just venting and using my constitutional right as an american to voice my objections to the bullshit going on bring back the fun...any how im done...ill just continue to chat with friends and pick up what i can and share my work with the ones who will be helpful... thanks for taking the time to comment man...show and tell for members only would work for me... chuck -------------------- |
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Sep 4 2008, 12:17 AM
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QUOTE (Jumpin' J Flash @ Sep 4 2008, 06:29 AM) Chuck, While I understand your sentiments, we cannot and will not be responsible for monitoring every post made. It's our job to step in when members are not following the website's guidelines. I created a MEMBERS ONLY section and would be happy to add a separate Show & Tell section only visible to paying members if others would like that. Otherwise, I would ask that if you feel members are leaving rude comments without any guidance let a mod know. (note: telling someone they should focus on art before touching skin is not necessarily being rude). However it is also up to community as a whole to counter non-helpful comments by offering helpful comments. Attacking the person leaving rude comments doesn't necessarily deter them. Ignore rude comments and focus on those who's opinion you respect. I agree with this comment, however it has to be specific. Just as telling someone their linework is not consistent is a valid remark in a critique, however it should not end there. The Show & Tell section is (or certainly was) made for CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. So yes by all means point out what is bad or needs work, but (& forgive the bold type here!!) explain how to improve. So I guess my point is if you are suggesting people to "put down the machines & go back to drawing", tell them why. You're shading is off, practice shading with a HB pencil (#2 to you yanks!!) from a 1" solid block to white without seeing an obvious drop in gradient. Then try to shorten the distance for the shade. Then try it with a 2B pencil etc. Your linework is inconsistent. OK........... so! Or Your linework is inconsistent. Try riding the tube until you get more experience. I have to agree with Chuck totally on this topic. There are people on this forum that give no contribution & there are people on this forum that would rather criticize others for giving what they consider poor advice without explanation. On the other hand I have seen too many threads in S&T asking for critique with terrible pictures posted. It's either blurry or minute. Sorry but it's practically impossible for honest critique, yet people do! It cant have escaped anyones notice that this place is getting more & more like Inked Nation with some of the "veterans" forgetting where they were a year or so ago. Anyways, I'll get off my soapbox now. -------------------- "In this truck is a man whose latent genius, if unleashed, would rock the nation, whose dynamic energy would overpower those around him. Better let him sleep?"
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Sep 4 2008, 03:55 AM
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This site has lost its community spirit that I was used to earlier on in the year. I haven't been online in ages and now the site is MASSIVE! This isn't a bad thing but it does attract the odd bell-end now and again, but then what open forum doesn't!? I do agree with a separate private board for paid members so at least this filters out the good from the bad as the people who are keen to learn and teach are the one's who generally pay.
This post has been edited by UNICRON: Sep 4 2008, 03:55 AM -------------------- Feed me planets...
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Sep 4 2008, 05:49 AM
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So, should we close the doors? Charge more money to discourage others from joining? As for IN, I say maybe it's time to pay them a visit. I think you'll remember the difference. New section coming...
-------------------- Stay humble.
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Sep 4 2008, 06:31 AM
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Don't close the doors, because there are always people who want to learn and those that are very experienced who wish to provide us with information. Maybe we could have two types of joining fees; one as a full member to take up tattooing as a profession (cost to join) and another for honourary members, like the pro's, who are willing to give up their time to teach us (free to join upon proof of experience)?
How much is the joining fee at the moment to become a fully pledged member? It is a tiny amount from what I can remember and it lasts a lifetime right? How about an initial joining fee of £20 and a yearly renewal fee of £10? I've mentioned it before but maybe we can strike up some deal with tattoo suppliers to give us discounts on their products if we advertise their businesses on this site? Try and be more like a club instead of another internet forum... Just some thoughts 
-------------------- Feed me planets...
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Sep 4 2008, 03:06 PM
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QUOTE (Jumpin' J Flash @ Sep 4 2008, 07:49 AM) So, should we close the doors? Charge more money to discourage others from joining? As for IN, I say maybe it's time to pay them a visit. I think you'll remember the difference. New section coming... sup J the following i copied and pasted from guidelines under "tattoo critique" that MARK posted i think what everyone is trying to find a solution for is the fact that very few are following these quidelines bro It’s come up that critiques are a little too lenient on tattoos that need a little help. Here are some questions that need to be asked when analyzing a tattoo. You can even copy and paste these and use the subjects to answer how the person did or didn’t do well on a certain area on their piece. This is far more professional then “ wow that’s awesome” or “ that sucks sell your shit on EBAY.” Tattoo Critique: Line work: does the artist seem to have grasped the technique of applying smooth consistent lines. Do they flow with no shakes, skips or scratchy places in the tattoo. Are the lines a full dark black where they need to be? Fill: Are all color and black areas a consistent color with no light, overworked or inconsistent areas? Shading: Does the tattoo show good gradients from light to dark and transition from color to color? Color Harmony: Does the tattoo have colors that compliment each other not seeming too dark or light? Position/Size: Does the tattoo seem to be the right size for the area; is it centered and lined up? Does it go with the flow of the body? Over all composition: What is your final feeling good or bad about the tattoo can it be improved or it a lost cause. How is the end result now that you have taken the piece apart? This is what should be considered when critiquing a tattoo. If all of these are considered you can tell weather or not they succeeded. Take into consideration of subject matter and disregard that. Just because you hate skulls and butterflies doesn’t make it a bad tattoo. -------------------- if all else fails...blame the pigmies.
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Sep 4 2008, 03:15 PM
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QUOTE (crueeldude13 @ Sep 5 2008, 09:06 AM) Tattoo Critique: Line work: Fill: Shading: Color Harmony: Position/Size: what if you were to set that out as a template for replies in show and tell? That way people could answer on each part of the tattoo.. although you would get a fair few smart arse annswers, i'm sure the few good ones you would get would be thorough and more helpful. This post has been edited by trippdowt: Sep 4 2008, 03:16 PM -------------------- if you're 555 then i'm 666
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Sep 4 2008, 03:23 PM
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QUOTE (trippdowt @ Sep 4 2008, 04:15 PM) what if you were to set that out as a template for replies in show and tell? That way people could answer on each part of the tattoo.. although you would get a fair few smart arse annswers, i'm sure the few good ones you would get would be thorough and more helpful. Ya dude... I think if we enforced that...this is what we'd see: Tattoo Critique: You stuck, put down the machines Line work: sucks Fill: sucks Shading: sucks Color Harmony: sucks Position/Size: yep this sucks too |
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Sep 4 2008, 03:31 PM
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yeah thats what i meant about the smart arse answers.. but theres already bulk of em so it can't really get worse, can it?
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